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SciFiBoy on 10 February 2009
HappySqurriel said:
SciFiBoy said:
HappySqurriel said:
SciFiBoy said:
HappySqurriel said:
SciFiBoy said:

are your figures on obesity or dangerous obesity?, theres a differnce, you can be obeise without it being damaging for your health, also one way of tackling this is through education, if we teach people more about the risks from a younger age, thoose rates will probably go down.

First off, obesity is the level at which a person's weight is translating into long term health problems ...

Now, what makes you think "Education" is the problem?

My generation (GenX) received far more comprehensive education in physical fitness and nutrition than my parents generation did, and the generation that followed me received an even better education in physical fitness and nutrition than I did, and yet my generation has a worse obesity problem than my parents generation did, and the generation that follows my generation has an even worse problem.

yes but obesity dosent mean you will definetley get ill (infact theres criticism of the criteria for being obeise), also what do you propose? so it costs more, if people want to eat too much then they will, just like people who want to smoke or take drugs or alcohol, they shouldnt do it, but they do, they still have the right to healthcare though

 

How is bailing out someone who has no intention of preserving their own health any different from bailing out large corporations who have no intention of preserving their balance sheet? All I see is a group of people making reckless decisions with full knowlege of the consequences of their actions ... Some companies (and some people) need to fail as a lesson to those around them not to make the same poor decisions.

 

peoples health is more important than money

 

If they don't think it is important, why should I?

 

its called "compassion" and "empathy"



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HappySqurriel on 10 February 2009
SciFiBoy said:

its called "compassion" and "empathy"

I define "Compassion" and "Empathy" as something quite a bit different than saying "The Government should do something about it" ... I have helped several people lose weight in their life, and helped people get an education and/or a better job and I don't see how passing the buck has anything to do with real empathy.

 



SciFiBoy on 10 February 2009
HappySqurriel said:
SciFiBoy said:

 

its called "compassion" and "empathy"

I define "Compassion" and "Empathy" as something quite a bit different than saying "The Government should do something about it" ... I have helped several people lose weight in their life, and helped people get an education and/or a better job and I don't see how passing the buck has anything to do with real empathy.

 

the obeise, alcoholics and drug addicts are still human beings, just like you and me

 



darthdevidem01 on 10 February 2009

NHs is covered through the HEAVY taxes in UK as nordlead said earlier on in this thread.

but maybe it is worth it in the end I dunno



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HappySqurriel on 10 February 2009
SciFiBoy said:
HappySqurriel said:
SciFiBoy said:

 

its called "compassion" and "empathy"

I define "Compassion" and "Empathy" as something quite a bit different than saying "The Government should do something about it" ... I have helped several people lose weight in their life, and helped people get an education and/or a better job and I don't see how passing the buck has anything to do with real empathy.

 

the obeise, alcoholics and drug addicts are still human beings, just like you and me

 

 

If they ask me for help I will help them, if a chairity forms for them I will support it, but that is not the role of the government ...



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SciFiBoy on 10 February 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
NHs is covered through the HEAVY taxes in UK as nordlead said earlier on in this thread.

but maybe it is worth it in the end I dunno

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom

 




SciFiBoy on 10 February 2009
HappySqurriel said:
SciFiBoy said:
HappySqurriel said:
SciFiBoy said:

 

its called "compassion" and "empathy"

I define "Compassion" and "Empathy" as something quite a bit different than saying "The Government should do something about it" ... I have helped several people lose weight in their life, and helped people get an education and/or a better job and I don't see how passing the buck has anything to do with real empathy.

 

the obeise, alcoholics and drug addicts are still human beings, just like you and me

 

 

If they ask me for help I will help them, if a chairity forms for them I will support it, but that is not the role of the government ...

well i think it is, as were clearly not gonna change each others view, i suggest we agree to disagree

 



Jackson50 on 10 February 2009

Healthcare is not a right, and people should shoulder some of the costs for their healthcare. I would support a system fairly similar to the Swiss system.



HappySqurriel on 10 February 2009
Jackson50 said:
Healthcare is not a right, and people should shoulder some of the costs for their healthcare. I would support a system fairly similar to the Swiss system.

 

I don't see any (real) problems with a hybrid system, althought the devil is in the details.



ikilledkenny on 10 February 2009

Regardless of whether or not you support a national system, it cannot be disputed that the American system still needs to be reformed. That leaves a few options. Either you
A. Regulate prices of drugs so people can afford them (should be done no matter what)
B. Make health care available to anyone, but do not require it for all (this would lessen the burden on taxpayers while still aiding the needy)
C. Create a national health care system.

This really should be fixed soon. For example, my neighbor in Texas needed to get a minor surgery. He is also an English citizen. It was cheaper for him to fly to England, see a doctor there, get the surgery, and fly home than to get the surgery here. And yes, he had insurance.

And as much as people rip on free health care, it's sure as hell better than none. I bet the millions of uninsured in America would be grateful for any help they could get.