I didnt really care for the statements i just liked the numbers ,  more number..... more numbers.... they become like crack

As the 160GB tends to have a full priced game bundled and only 1/9 consoles sold is the 160GB therefore the average sale price of the PS3 is something like $412.

For the Xbox 360 the Average sale price is $270 but once you consider Live Gold and a few wireless accessories and people who buy an Arcade and immediately get a HDD bundle (3 months Live at the cost of a component cable) the ASP is probably something closer to $300 at the point of sale. Im ignoring controllers and cables for hopefully obvious reasons.

The PS3 isn't significantly more expensive than the Xbox 360 in America, the difference between them is more due to Microsofts past good work in strengthening the brand/console.

I hope to god your not suggesting people who buy 360s go out and buy the wifi broadcaster ...... and if they are they are  .... well hurting their own experience.  the rest of it sure i guess though i feel your overstating the number of people who buy live.. though maybe we will know more at E3 i would be surprised if its more then 2/3 of the user base

thank you, I have this one book marked thats why i keep bringing it up... 

That's classic.  I spent months arguing with PS3 fans trying to convince them there were shortages.  All manner of excuses were generated to try and pretend I was wrong.

Of course NOW...

wow I new it was down year over year but had no idea how bad it had gotten. this does need to be addressed I would hate to see a down year for year over year unit sales, both the ps3 (if sony can afford it) and the wii need a slight cut going in to holidays, and the 360 will need one to match last holidays sales, that could trip it up and put it down year over year. 

Even if only 5% of people who bought Xbox 360s bought the Wifi device it would raise the average selling price by $4-5. Its an insignificant amount of people. But its not wholely insignificant next to the relative average sale prices of the two machines. However from figures indicating that the number of gold subscription accounts is over 50% it is a significant factor when comparing the average sale prices of the two machines. If one assumes that a gold subscription is purchased with even 1/3rd of machines it would raise the average sale price by $13, so the figure of $270 becomes $283 for example.

The relative pricing between the PS3 and Xbox 360 is difficult to nail down. There isn't exactly a single model consumer you could use to compare the two. People tend to self select based on the experiences they want and the features they value. This is why I like to use the average sale price as a comparison tool.

if i remember right were not all three consoles suffering from shortages?

Fair enough though even 5% for the wifi adapter seems high, if i remember my stuff traditionally non game required non functional improvement add ons are expected to sell to at most 3% though this was noting 3rd party and not first party which may explain a discrepancy.

and if you are only counting live at 50% thats fine, i felt you were tracking it higher from how you were talking..... I have no idea how to track the ext HD, and i still feel that was MS biggest folly this gen is to offer a unit without the HD i know it makes more money but it set the console back from last gen, however making it hot swapable for the non tech savy was a good move.  though they need to price gouge just a bit less and where are the bigger units, if they came out with the 250s i would have bought a bigger one already even at rip off prices.... and yes i know you can mod one out but its a pain and im lazy ...

I have to believe that sony feels the value added statagy will work, and that one or two of its big games will make it out before years end. they may even be betting on this witha form factor change without a price drop. very dangerous gamble. 

I think they are hopping FFXIII comes out in japan in the holiday quarter, and GT 5 comes in around when killzone 2 came out world wide, those could give 2-3 million hard ware units (right now i trying to play it like sonys brass thinks it will go) at the same time say in october they reduce a new form factor with 2 games bundeld for the same price 399, the 499 unit is fazed out and you have what they will call a price cut. 

what id rather see them do is hold out till mid November or even late november and cut the price by 100 dollars say black friday. that could give them 2 quarters where they are not losing money on PS3 sales and can justify to corporate the cut. A lot less risk is taken in the latter, though with this approach do not expect to see another price cut in 2010. look for one in 2011 and then every year after that