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Pristine20 on 05 February 2009
Khuutra said:
luisgvm said:
Khuutra said:
darthdevidem01 said:
@khuutra

he did talk "shit" about the PS3

however SONY is one of the most important companies in the industry

I hate the arrogant man....don't care if he created a great game

he has no right to be an arrogant bitch about it

TBH after seeing COd4 & COD5 sales on the PS3....HIS company NEEDS PS3 more than PS3 needs them

No, his company doesn't need the PS3. At all. The consoles are just extra money to Valve. They have the digital distribution for the entire PC world in the palm of their hands with Steam.

And he can talk shit about the PS3! He's a game designer complainign from a game designer's perspective, and a businessman doing the same! He is allowed.

 

yes but he needs to act like an adult an professional because thats what he is. he cant be insulting and start "talking shit" about a console like if he is a kid or a fanboy and he is not complaining "from a game designers perspective" he is the one talking shit saying stupid things about the ps3. and if he has not develop for the ps3 how can he say all those things about the console. first try it and then give your opinion. he can be an exelent developer, but all his reputation goes to the garbage when he talk like that. people are not going to take him seriously. and thats what i hate so much about sony and ms sometimes they are completely arrogants and stupids. please people you guys are professionals so act like one.

I think that Gabe Newell's reputation, and that of his game studio, will weather him saying things that are true about the PS3.

And no, Valve should not "give the PS3 a chance". They are too small to create an engine that would work on the PS3, and the returns on making a game for Sony's platform would be microscopic compared to the kind of money that Valve makes delivering an experience on Steam.

 

And Valve doesn't need to give ps3 a chance. I don't remember playing any of their games on ps2 or ps1 and last I checked, those consoles ruled their generations. This is what sony needs 3rd parties for not for foul-mouthing.



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Khuutra on 06 February 2009

He's not badmouthing them. Everything he said was true. Just because a person says that the PS3 was a mistake does not make him anti-Sony or in Microsoft's pocket or anything like that. He's right, in every single way that counts to a business. You can't rag on him for speaking the truth.



thanny on 06 February 2009

He let EA port the orange box onto the PS3 and it sold like absolute crap, so why bother doing it again?

sounds like fanboys upset because on of the industrys best dev's doesnt like their console



 

 

 

 

 

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Pristine20 on 06 February 2009
Khuutra said:
He's not badmouthing them. Everything he said was true. Just because a person says that the PS3 was a mistake does not make him anti-Sony or in Microsoft's pocket or anything like that. He's right, in every single way that counts to a business. You can't rag on him for speaking the truth.

 

Read my previous response to Godot who claimed the same thing as you. There are many ways to speak the truth. The way he said it was just not right. There's no defending that.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Khuutra on 06 February 2009
Pristine20 said:
Khuutra said:
He's not badmouthing them. Everything he said was true. Just because a person says that the PS3 was a mistake does not make him anti-Sony or in Microsoft's pocket or anything like that. He's right, in every single way that counts to a business. You can't rag on him for speaking the truth.

 

Read my previous response to Godot who claimed the same thing as you. There are many ways to speak the truth. The way he said it was just not right. There's no defending that.

Yes, there is. There was no other way to say what he meant-  and what he meant was that the PS3 was a mistake and that Sony needs to recoup their losses and try again.



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Pristine20 on 06 February 2009
thanny said:
He let EA port the orange box onto the PS3 and it sold like absolute crap, so why bother doing it again?

sounds like fanboys upset because on of the industrys best dev's doesnt like their console

 

As good as he is, sony didn't need him to dominate last 2 gens and I don't see why they need him now.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 06 February 2009
Khuutra said:
Pristine20 said:
Khuutra said:
He's not badmouthing them. Everything he said was true. Just because a person says that the PS3 was a mistake does not make him anti-Sony or in Microsoft's pocket or anything like that. He's right, in every single way that counts to a business. You can't rag on him for speaking the truth.

 

Read my previous response to Godot who claimed the same thing as you. There are many ways to speak the truth. The way he said it was just not right. There's no defending that.

Yes, there is. There was no other way to say what he meant-  and what he meant was that the PS3 was a mistake and that Sony needs to recoup their losses and try again.

 

So " PS3 is a bad console, a failure, [and] that Sony should stop making it and try again" is the best way to put things? LMAO. What extent would you go to defend this guy. He's not a god my friend.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Khuutra on 06 February 2009
Pristine20 said:
Khuutra said:
Pristine20 said:
Khuutra said:
He's not badmouthing them. Everything he said was true. Just because a person says that the PS3 was a mistake does not make him anti-Sony or in Microsoft's pocket or anything like that. He's right, in every single way that counts to a business. You can't rag on him for speaking the truth.

 

Read my previous response to Godot who claimed the same thing as you. There are many ways to speak the truth. The way he said it was just not right. There's no defending that.

Yes, there is. There was no other way to say what he meant-  and what he meant was that the PS3 was a mistake and that Sony needs to recoup their losses and try again.

 

So " PS3 is a bad console, a failure, [and] that Sony should stop making it and try again" is the best way to put things? LMAO. What extent would you go to defend this guy. He's not a god my friend.

First rule of quoting a person, wherein one uses quotation marks, is to actually quote them. Do not paraphrase.

"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"

Nothing he says here is particularly objectionable. Sony did lose track of what customers wanted, Sony did lose track of what developers wanted, that have been many people who suggested Sony should recoup their losses and try again, and if Sony said what he suggests they should, they would go a long way toward repairing their image.

Given that it's an interview where he gave the answer on the spot, I think he did fine.



Pristine20 on 06 February 2009
Khuutra said:
Pristine20 said:
Khuutra said:
Pristine20 said:
Khuutra said:
He's not badmouthing them. Everything he said was true. Just because a person says that the PS3 was a mistake does not make him anti-Sony or in Microsoft's pocket or anything like that. He's right, in every single way that counts to a business. You can't rag on him for speaking the truth.

 

Read my previous response to Godot who claimed the same thing as you. There are many ways to speak the truth. The way he said it was just not right. There's no defending that.

Yes, there is. There was no other way to say what he meant-  and what he meant was that the PS3 was a mistake and that Sony needs to recoup their losses and try again.

 

So " PS3 is a bad console, a failure, [and] that Sony should stop making it and try again" is the best way to put things? LMAO. What extent would you go to defend this guy. He's not a god my friend.

First rule of quoting a person, wherein one uses quotation marks, is to actually quote them. Do not paraphrase.

"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"

Nothing he says here is particularly objectionable. Sony did lose track of what customers wanted, Sony did lose track of what developers wanted, that have been many people who suggested Sony should recoup their losses and try again, and if Sony said what he suggests they should, they would go a long way toward repairing their image.

Given that it's an interview where he gave the answer on the spot, I think he did fine.

If you ask me, that was the sentiment that got sega to canning saturn and creating DC which was an excellent console in it's own merit but look what happened. Something tells me he'll be the first to run far away if sony had canned the ps3 to develop another console. When it's not one's money or time, it's easy to pull statements out one's ass. Who would trust sony again if they had canned the ps3 to produce something else. I still think his wording was rather strong but I don't thnk we'll ever agree on that one so I'll leave that aside.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Rpruett on 06 February 2009
Khuutra said:

 

"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"

Nothing he says here is particularly objectionable. Sony did lose track of what customers wanted, Sony did lose track of what developers wanted, that have been many people who suggested Sony should recoup their losses and try again, and if Sony said what he suggests they should, they would go a long way toward repairing their image.

Given that it's an interview where he gave the answer on the spot, I think he did fine.

Did Sony lose track of what customers wanted?  Or is that in your opinion?  Certainly, 20 million other people don't believe that Sony 'lost track'. 

Did Sony lose track of what developers wanted?  Or is that just Gabe's opinion?   Certainly, plenty of other developers actually enjoyed working with the Cell and some developers have even achieved wonderful things with it. Certainly,  those developers got 'what they wanted'.

 

Sony is on the verge of making profit per PS3 sold.  And most certainly will be making profits hand over fist in 2009 on the PS3.   Why should they recoup their losses and try again?   Microsoft had to denote Billions to fixing faulty hardware.  Should they scrap the 360 and go back to the drawing board and try again?

 

Wait so the PS3 is hurting Sony's image?  Or is it the price tag? (Outselling the 360 for 9 of 12 months in 08' until ironically a price cut doesn't seem like a system with an 'image' problem)  

 

It is far more likely that as long as the PS3 has a decent price compared to it's competitors it will sell and sell well.  Really at the end of the day,  Sony wanted to win the format war.  By adding Blu-Ray to the PS3, they increased the entry point on the PS3 and really lost out on some sales.   Regardless, it's better for them in the long run to win the format war and they achieved that goal.

 

Gabe (And his defenders) try to pass his statements off as fact and they are far from it.  The evidence spits in his face.