@mibuokami: Yeah I know there are all kinds of factors, those estimates were simplistic on purpose. The point is to get ballpark numbers, not precise ones.

@NJ5, I just edited my post with some additional source, I think the numbers looks pretty believable with regards to development of HD game. You're right in that the $10million is far too low and can only be down when you discount the development of engine (outsourcing to china :P), but the $60 million quote just seems too excessive, even $50 seems like a huge chunck more than its worth...

LBP has been selling at 18£ for a while (at least end of december) on amazon.co.uk

lots of people have done like me and bought their games in the UK... so no wonder it has good sales there...

KZ2 crushes Gears 2 in quality, not sales. It won't have Gears 2's marketing, its fanbase, or its console.

Having said that, after seeing the various budgets and preorder figures, I think 1 million week one is easy.

"PS3 games sales are up 53% and there's a healthy 1.1m pre-order book for Killzone 2, the first of a new batch of IPs that Sony will be counting on." - David Reeves

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/feb/05/david-reeves-sony-europe-losses

1.1m Killzone 2 pre-orders in Europe alone? Wow, these are really stunning numbers! Like this, I think Guerilla's goal of 2.5m LTD will be reached easily. Once just add the pre-order sales of America...

(sorry if somebody already posted this, I didn't have time to read the whole thread)

Like my good buddy blazinhead89 once said.

"Better 50M on a great FPS than 50M on DLC"

KZ2 crushes Gears 2 in quality.... but what is quality for you ? For me it is not graphics...

@Sardauk

You talk as if the graphics are the only part of Killzone that is "quality".

What was quality about Gears 2 other than graphics?

Cover system? KZ2 got it.
Great graphics? KZ2 got it.
Awesome physics? KZ2 got it.
Great Single Player campaign? KZ2 got it.
Awesome Multiplayer? KZ2 got it.
What? Also has a complete job system as well in the Multiplayer and support for up to 32 players? Yup that's right.
Extensive online setup where reviews are saying no game has gone this in depth? KZ2 got it.

Now just for fun though, just to flip the question onto you.

I see in the Halo Wars thread you are soooooo excited for the game.

What is so quality about Halo Wars for you? For me it's not the name "Halo" slapped on a cover.

By the way, while you are here obviously trying to downplay people's excitement for Killzone 2 I must also ask.

How many PS3 fans are hijacking the Halo Wars thread?

Answer = zero at the moment. You are allowed you express your excitement without someone coming in trying to spoil your fun. So we kindly ask for you, fulcrizombie, etc... to just try to let us do the same.

I am picking up Halo Wars by the way, just having some fun here.

Before I am asked if I know what I am talking about.

Here is my gamercard, just want to show that I am not trying to talk out my ass when it comes to games I have actually played.

Euphoria FTW!