cookingyourmama,

You can't assume the same % Mexico/SA sales of total NA for both the PS3 and X360.

I dunno if Brett the Boss ever confirmed this but it's been said on VGC that the X360 is even stronger in Mexico than it is in NA, compared to the PS3 (because the X360 has been hacked it's popular to get a modded X360 to run pirated games. Price mite be an issue as well).

So add an extra 2% or so South American sales for the X360 = 0.02 x 15 million = 300,000 units to get the correct total Americas X360 sales number.

Well if you live in the uk and think the wii and 360 were supply contrained worldwide over christmas then you don't know anything about sales. Where is your proof that what i have said is 'crap'...you don't have any. Please go ahead and explain to me why you think vgchartz numbers are more accurate then chart track's, gfk's and npd's when they are all multimillion companies that have far bigger samples of data to work with, have many more years worth of experence working out sales and vgchartz only has a much smaller selection of data sources with far less experence of working them out.

cooking,

please stop accusing people of being silly. They do know something about sales.

Sony expected a much bigger Christmas for the PS3 (and retailers, vgchartz, every forum user in the world...) but the PS3 sales were lacking during Christmas. Just use your NPD data and look it up. Xbox 360 sales have been huge compared to the rest of the year while the PS3 has underperformed in comparism. Our users are really accurate when it comes to sales most of the time and most people overestimated the PS3 and underestimated the Xbox360. And stores did the same thing, they don't have any chrystal balls either. And yes, unlike you VGChartz actually talks to a lot of stores and has some evidence to back this claim up.

What that means is that there definitely are more PS3's on shelves than 360's. It's Sony's style anyways to stuff the channel a bit. They often do that.

About Wii sales: If the Wii wasn't sold out in the US during December then why exactly did Wii sales increase so much less than Ps3 and 360 sales? Because the casuals are buying it?

Edit: South America actually is 10% of the American sales, not 2%. Oh and yes the Xbox360 is performing better in the rest of America compared to the main market itself.

From what ive seen stores theres a lot of PS3 on dispaly, a decent amount of 360's and few wii's.

Bravo

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Some users know things about sales and some don't. What you have said does not 'definitely' mean more ps3's are on shelves, all you've said is just hear say, conjecture and rumours. The bottom line is vgchartz numbers for the 360 and wii are significantly different from chart track's, gfk's and npd's that's the only fact there is. If it was just one multimillion company that was different then you might be able to turn a blind eye to it, but three of them?!! The fact is retailers aren't stupid. When in october and november the ps3 sold either less or the same as it did the previous year why would retailers suddenly think in december the ps3 will sell significantly more then what it did in the previous december? It doesn't make any sense.

Edit: So where is your proof that south america is 10% of the market? Because canada is ~10% of u.s. sales and you're claiming that south american consoles sales are actually bigger than canada's? And where is your proof that the 360 is performing better in the rest of america compared to the main market because it is a fact that in canada the 360 is doing relativelt worse then the u.s.

1) I didn't hear rumours, vgchartz is actually having connections to countless stores all over the world.

2) They really don't show a big difference at all. And it does make a difference if a console is in short supply or not. There are definitely a lot less Wii's on the shelves than PS3's. The console has been sold out for the whole year and December wasn't a lot bigger than November in the US. That's what NPD says! The source you claim is so valid. NPD numbers confirm the Wii was sold out during Christmas in the US. Or do you think it didn't see a boost in December because the console is a fad and people just decided to stop buying it in December?

3) Well. Maybe, just maybe, because the PS3 saw a huge Year over year growth and sold much better than in 2007 for the whole rest of the year? Hell look at NPD data, will you? NPD has the PS3 selling head to head with the 360 in the US for the whole year but November and December have been much higher for the 360 because of the price drop and the reccession. The PS3 is damn expensive and Sony and the retailers didn't expect the radical drop in demand for high priced products over christmas. Retailer aren't silly but so aren't the car industry, the whole electronics industry and quite every other industry in the world. Still almost all industries in the world overestimated Christmas demand and underestimated the reccession. But Sony didn't, right? Of course.

I don't really get where you get your arguments from, it just doesn't make sense.

@ Louie )

actually what Brett and Source always stated is, that all american markets outside the USA combined are roughly as big as 10% of USAs market - the biggest american market outside of USA is Canada, so ofcourse south america isn't even close to 10% of the combined american market

and if his NPD numbers are for USA + Canada, then 2% of that for all other american markets combined is a realistic ratio in my humble opinion

Well that doesn't change my point (it was mainly about shipment numbers) but you're probably right. Maybe I didn't read that passage properly

1). Well yes they are rumours, hear say and conjecture which have been said to try and make vgchartz numbers make sense. Vgchartz does have connections to stores but who do you think has more connections vgchartz or chart track, gfk and npd? LOL do you even think it's close? And who has more experence at getting the sales data? If you answered vgchartz then you answered wrong.

2. So you don't think almost 1.3 million and almost 600,000 are big numbers? You need help. You keep making universal statements like the wii is sold out when it is a fact that in europe and japan the wii is not at all supply constrained. Plus you don't seem to grasp how the retail chain works. Even ignoring the fact the wii isn't sold out in europe and japan this is the journey a wii has to make before it gets sold. More wii's are sold every week then any other console so there for more wii's are produced each week to begin with. Once nintendo have agreed to sell wii's to a company then it counts as sold and appears on there shipped numbers. You seem to think that it instantly gets sold to a consumer so there for shipped=sold! The reality is more wii's are in transit and in retail warehouses each week then any other console to meet the demand of selling significantly more than the competition. So every week more wii's are unsold then the competion because more wii's are in transit around the world to get to retailers warehouses, more wii's are in retailers central warehouses waiting to be driven to each store and in each of the actual stores themselves they have more wii's out the back not on store shelves because there already is a larger amount of wii's on the shelves to begin with.

3. Retailers don't order stock over half a year in advance!! Retailers order stock on a weekly and monthly basis. Retailers know all about the economic crisis and know that expensive items won't sell well, so again retailers aren't stupid and they are not going to order double the ps3's they ordered the year before for december 2007 when for october and november 2008 combined the ps3 sold less then it did for october and november 2007 the year before.