You don't believe Sony will outsell Microsoft this year, yet you expect the 9M+ gap to somehow evaporate in 6-9 months in 2010?!

Im interested in how you came by that brand of logic.

First of all, where are you getting 9 million + from? I actually take back my statement that the PS3 won't out sell the 360 in 2009, I was thinking of NA region. I think it will outsell it everywhere but the good ol' US of A, with total sales in favor of the PS3. Second of all, yeah i do believe by Q3 2010 the PS3 will have overtaken the 360 in worldwide sales, with its year less on the market of course. By then I feel like alllllllllllllllllllllll those PS2 users (140 million - 22 million that already own PS3s) in Japan and around the world will be ready for the upgrade. I think all you 360 fanboys might be ready for a little change by then too ;). Another year and a half for people to think about getting an HDTV and a Blu-ray player. Throw a price cut in there, GoW3, GT5, FFXIII, FFXIII Versus and I think it'll be DAMN close around that time.

So many flaws in there... i don't know where to begin....

First, you are banking on the hope there will be a price cut, and a significant one at that, AND that Microsoft won't counter.  Basically Sony says there will be no cut, Microsoft says they will be ready to act if Sony does cut... soooo... yeah.

You really think that 22 million PS2 owers have a PS3?  That's odd... the PS3 LTD is only at 19.9 million.  You also seem to think that at all PS2 users will go to the PS3, but the PS2 was a vastly different console than the PS3 is.  The PS2 was last generations casual console (almost like the Wii is this generation), while this year the PS3 is ALL hardcore.  Even Microsoft has a wider variety of games with more audiences in mind than Sony.

People will still buy HDTV's and Blu-Ray players.  People who get HDTV's can get a 360 to enjoy HD out of the box with no HDMI cable (pro console) or HDMI included (Elite console).  And they can then get a $100 or less Blu-Ray player by the end of that year and a half, so why would they spend $300+ on a PS3 when by that time an Xbox 360 + Blu-Ray player would be about $250-275.

You also seem to think that Microsoft's games won't sell, and will not release any that pertain to new audiences.  The PS3 is the console with only big sequels coming and new IPs that mostly target the existing audience.  How will that cause things to increase sales-wise?

It will be about a 9 million gap by the time Sony makes a price cut this year (if they even do) and in order to close a 9 million gap in say 9 months time.... well you can do the math and realize how impossible it will be.
If Sony ever catches up to Microsoft, it will be a year after Microsoft has launched their next generation console.

Meh. You say my logic is flawed, I say yours is more then flawed. We could go round and round all day.

You say the PS3 isn't for casual gaming, I say yes the PS3 is (I consider myself a "casual" gamer). Numbers have actually been released now saying the PS3 has sold more than 21 million consoles, you say 19.9 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6203876.html). Rabble Rabble Rabble.

Over the next year and a half Sony probably will cut the price, most definitely the latter part of that timeframe. Yakuza 3 comes out in Japan soon. FFXIII comes out in Japan this year. Those games will move lots of consoles in a place where 360 doesn't sell. Sony's console has the best games this year, can we at least agree on that? If not then I might as well be debating with a brick wall.

Also "why would someone want a $300 PS3 when you could get an XBOX and blu ray for 250-275"? Are you serious? What the hell is $25 dollars? Who would have $25 make that decision for them? I think KZ2, or most likely KZ3 by the time frame your speaking of will sell a PS3 before someones going to save $25 to go with a cheap Blu-ray player and a noisy 360. Or the decision could come down to GT5 or GoW3 or FFXIII Versus or too many games to name that will never be on a Microsoft console. Who wouldn't want a sleek PS3 with Blu-ray built in + all Sony exclusives instead of your killer combo? Talk about flawed logic. What you're trying to say is plain and simple, the 360 appeals to the audience who doesn't have as much money/doesn't want to spend as much money on their console. That is true, but the PS3 which has its Sony exclusives developed specifically for it will be the best console with the best games, if you have the wallet. Kind of hard to debate when there really aren't games on either of the other 2 consoles to counter the Sony exclusives, especially the ones that haven't come out listed above.

You're actually mentioning the next generation consoles in your PREDICTIONS. HAHA. Lets see how well a new 500 dollar XBOX fares when the consoles out now are perfectly capable and will be around for quite some time. When the new XBOX comes out, if its launch is anywhere in the area of 2012-2013, the current consoles (mostly the PS3) will be in their prime of producing great games and will be cheap. You think the 8th generation of consoles is going to release anytime soon, like before 2012? They won't be. Sony built their console for the long haul. The 360 will be thankful for the multiplatforms that dumb their games down around it.

PS3 will end this generation dominating the 360 starting in 2010, my prediction.

Seriously, Squilliam, he doesn't think things through very well. He has trouble seeing the whole picture. Also, he misinterprets badly.

@vthokiesrmoo
Where in there did I add next generation consoles in a prediction? All I said was the PS3 likely won't outsell the 360 until the new Xbox has been out for a year. I never said anything about when that would be, or how much it would cost, or what it would include. You were the one who jumped the gun and started making assumptions there.

Also, we can't really say "Sony has the best games" when that is both opinionated and something that no one can assuredly state since it is all in the future and anything could happen. Also, with the added games from the PC/360 exclusives, the 360's lineup is much larger, with more variety, and everything I could ever want, so sorry, I must be a brick wall... The only two games on the PS3 I will likely get this year is Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2.

Also, since you seem to hold the PS3 exclusives to some higher level, I would like to comment and say that the 360 has just as many games that can "counter" those high powered titles. 2 Halo games this year alone. Anyone who doubts these will sell, does not know Halo. Then we have a Splinter Cell game, lots of RPG's, Gears of War 3 to look forward to next year to compete with God of War III in 2010.

I think very many people, especially those with an HDTV, fast internet, and friends that have Xbox 360's, would choose an Xbox + Blu-Ray standalone player over a PS3 any day. The fact that you think no one would shows my point of how you have a very narrow vision and can't see the whole picture. Plus, with many people not even needing or wanting a Blu-Ray player, it will still be much cheaper for them to go 360 for their gaming needs. I also gave a range of $25-50 cheaper. That's an extra game or controller or a few movies, which seems like a better deal to me.

Didn't ya hear? The 360's are mucho quiet now. Especially when the games are loaded to the hard drive... seems to me like you (as well as most of your arguments) are living in the past...

If you mean make profit, that is just a fantasy. Sony has lost so much money at this point there is not making it up.

As far as selling more than 360, maybe at times it will but 360 still wins by a lot.

I'm totaly aggree with you scat398. Be the best sellers is no more the priority of Sony right now. And lets be honnest : the 3 systems are selling well. 

 Being 3rd this gen is big slapped in Sony face.  How the hell you lose this gen so badly when you DOMINATED the competition with the PS1/PS2.  Nintendo/M$ both won this gen hands down considering where they were with both the Gamecube/xBox.

nightsurge said: Seriously, Squilliam, he doesn't think things through very well. He has trouble seeing the whole picture. Also, he misinterprets badly. @vthokiesrmoo Where in there did I add next generation consoles in a prediction? All I said was the PS3 likely won't outsell the 360 until the new Xbox has been out for a year. I never said anything about when that would be, or how much it would cost, or what it would include. You were the one who jumped the gun and started making assumptions there. Also, we can't really say "Sony has the best games" when that is both opinionated and something that no one can assuredly state since it is all in the future and anything could happen. Also, with the added games from the PC/360 exclusives, the 360's lineup is much larger, with more variety, and everything I could ever want, so sorry, I must be a brick wall... The only two games on the PS3 I will likely get this year is Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2. Also, since you seem to hold the PS3 exclusives to some higher level, I would like to comment and say that the 360 has just as many games that can "counter" those high powered titles. 2 Halo games this year alone. Anyone who doubts these will sell, does not know Halo. Then we have a Splinter Cell game, lots of RPG's, Gears of War 3 to look forward to next year to compete with God of War III in 2010. I think very many people, especially those with an HDTV, fast internet, and friends that have Xbox 360's, would choose an Xbox + Blu-Ray standalone player over a PS3 any day. The fact that you think no one would shows my point of how you have a very narrow vision and can't see the whole picture. Plus, with many people not even needing or wanting a Blu-Ray player, it will still be much cheaper for them to go 360 for their gaming needs. I also gave a range of $25-50 cheaper. That's an extra game or controller or a few movies, which seems like a better deal to me. Didn't ya hear? The 360's are mucho quiet now. Especially when the games are loaded to the hard drive... seems to me like you (as well as most of your arguments) are living in the past...

LOL i think you guys are blinded by the 360's success in its first few years on the market. I study business (Finance), am about to graduate from a legit business school, and have taken my share of business policy and strategy intensive courses. IMO I know business and I can see the whole picture. I don't have the patience to argue about anymore predictions though, which is all that we are doing. On to another thread for me!