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nightsurge on 30 January 2009
Rpruett said:
Squilliam said:
Rpruett said:
Squilliam said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-780g-chipset,1785-11.html

See? Even one of the "best" IGPs is outmatched by some very basic strategy games. Btw, you cannot run these games effectively at a low resolution because you simply cannot see a wide enough scale to perform effectively.

 

You're right....If your resolution is set at 1280x1024.   Do you understand that by dropping your resolution you will see a drastic increase in terms of performance?  This is the second time you've posted something that really is not relevant in any way.

Do you have a strategy game on your computer? Try playing it at the lowest resolution and see how "easy" it is. This isn't a FPS where you could get away with a lot more.

Furthermore most IGPs out there would flat-out not run these games, the Intel kind which makes up the majority of the market. Its like scaling a game to run on the PS1 and PS3+, which is incredibly difficult to accomplish.

 

Is playing a strategy game on your computer at 800x600 or 640x480.....Much different than playing an Xbox 360 game on an SDTV? Since resolution is of utmost importance?

 

 

 

That's why many RTS games don't work on a console as apposed to a PC, so yes, resolution in an RTS is very important.



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Rpruett on 30 January 2009

Rpruett said:

 

 

Rpruett.  You are talking about different audiences entirely.  As I've said many, many times.  Your idea of "PC gaming" is the casual afterthought of most PC buyers.

If it really was better to play these games on PC (better being a general term for more enjoyable, cheaper, etc), why is the PC games sales plummetting while consoles are on a rise year after year?  Another thing you've ignored.

 

When did I say it was 'better' to play these games on PC?  Stop attempting strawman arguments.  The point is, has been, will be, and will continue to be that you can play these games on a very, very modest PC at a reasonable level of performance and avoid purchasing an entire console to do so.

 

Also, the Dell guy was smart enough to leave after he realized his arguments do not apply to this thread or the "I can play it on PC, so why get a 360?" that started it all.

Actually, you completely changed what you were arguing mid-stream when you realized you were dead wrong.  But keep living the lie.  Lol.

 

For the casual PC user that wants to play games and doesn't care how they look, you are absolutely right that integrated could be enough for them.  For the people that actually want to play the newest games quite often and have the best experience graphically as well as enjoyably, they will either use a discrete graphcis card or get a console. 

Are you missing chromosomes?  We are talking about PC/360 games.  Games that are available on both platforms and once you remove those from the 360's library,  is it even really THAT worth it to take the plunge and go with a 360 over the other options available?  The premise of this siutation is the person is regular run of the mill gamer that is interested in playing good 'exclusive' games.  Which console should he buy?    He has an average PC which is capable of running the PC/360 games that have come out on PC.   He needs to make a choice on what new console to buy?

Why would you choose the 360 again?   When a large amount of the 'good' 'exclusive' games for the 360,  you will have access to regardless.

 

 

Again, you simply are not representing the correct audience here.  PC "Gaming" is aimed at the higher end spectrum, hence why many games have high "recommended system requirements."  Some individuals may buy these games and still enjoy them just as much on the lowest of low settings... but hey some people still like using VHS movies and record tapes

PC Software in general is always designed at reaching AS MANY people as HUMANLY possible.  I suggest you learn this simple fact, before you graduate into the business.

 

Also, a game at 480i standard definition on older televisions (non HD or ED) played on an xbox 360 will still "LOOK" better because even when it scales back on a 360/PS3, the details and other settings are still at a maximum, while on integrated graphics you would have to scale it down a ton AND turn down the settings.  By the way, many monitors these days don't support anything lower than 800x600..... so turning it down all the way to 640x480 would not be applicable in many situations.

 

They won't look drastically better (As you keep trying to imply).  They will be comparable. Which I have said for quite awhile now.

 

 

 

 

 

 



FKNetwork on 30 January 2009

And why is Rpruett even commenting in this thread? this thread is about 360 games, nothing to do with PC gaming at all seeing as the 360/pc shared exclusive games aren't even on the list the OP made,

If you want to talk about PC gaming go and start your own thread instead of trying to hi-jack this 360 thread,



Magnific0 on 30 January 2009

Well, let's take a look at this (from Oxy's list)
in 2008:

360 got:  1 exclusive game ranked 90+ and 5 exclusives ranked 80+
PS3 got:  2 exclusives games ranked 90+ and 7 exclusives ranked 80+

I see a trend here, don't you? PS3 is getting the more and better exclusives as the current generation moves forward.

Just in a few weeks PS3 is getting another already certain 90+ ranked exclusive game in Killzone 2, so the year starts with the PS3 pushing this trend forward.



Rpruett on 30 January 2009
nightsurge said:
Rpruett said:
Squilliam said:
Rpruett said:
Squilliam said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-780g-chipset,1785-11.html

See? Even one of the "best" IGPs is outmatched by some very basic strategy games. Btw, you cannot run these games effectively at a low resolution because you simply cannot see a wide enough scale to perform effectively.

 

You're right....If your resolution is set at 1280x1024.   Do you understand that by dropping your resolution you will see a drastic increase in terms of performance?  This is the second time you've posted something that really is not relevant in any way.

Do you have a strategy game on your computer? Try playing it at the lowest resolution and see how "easy" it is. This isn't a FPS where you could get away with a lot more.

Furthermore most IGPs out there would flat-out not run these games, the Intel kind which makes up the majority of the market. Its like scaling a game to run on the PS1 and PS3+, which is incredibly difficult to accomplish.

 

Is playing a strategy game on your computer at 800x600 or 640x480.....Much different than playing an Xbox 360 game on an SDTV? Since resolution is of utmost importance?

 

 

 

That's why many RTS games don't work on a console as apposed to a PC, so yes, resolution in an RTS is very important.

You're correct.  But then again, why was the point brought up in the first place then?  Pointless.



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Rpruett on 30 January 2009
Magnific0 said:

Well, let's take a look at this (from Oxy's list)
in 2008:

360 got:  1 exclusive game ranked 90+ and 5 exclusives ranked 80+
PS3 got:  2 exclusives games ranked 90+ and 7 exclusives ranked 80+

I see a trend here, don't you? PS3 is getting the more and better exclusives as the current generation moves forward.

Just in a few weeks PS3 is getting another already certain 90+ ranked exclusive game in Killzone 2, so the year starts with the PS3 pushing this trend forward.

Precisely why moving forward you would go in that direction (Assuming you have equal interest level in all of the exclusives) and still play a lot of good 360/PC exclusives on a PC.

 



shio on 30 January 2009
FKNetwork said:

I've been into PC and console gaming for almost 16 years,

I have a very high spec PC (quad core, 4gb ram, 8600GT etc) which plays the latest games on high settings but I still left PC gaming late last year and went with console gaming instead,

Not had one regret and am so glad I ditched pc gaming! consoles are for gaming, pc's aren't (imo), there is a reason the pc gaming market is declining year after year while the console market is breaking records every year!

Go figure.....

wow, what hole did you crawl from? PC is probably the fastest growing gaming platform! Just go take a look at the superior 2009 lineup of PC.

 



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Stan85 on 30 January 2009

Does anyone think that a person that doesn`t invest in a Pc will BUY a pc game? I think piracy is very easy on a Pc and MS and EVERYONE realises this and you first see late Pc ports(Mass Effect,DMC4,etc)...then unoptimised games(GTA4,etc)...then games only on consoles(SW the force unleased,etc).

Isn`t something going on with Pc gaming that is very obvious? And when you buy a gaming Pc,will you have money to buy games or will you pirate? But it`s not about you,isn`t it? It`s about EVERYONE with a gaming Pc and only a small % is buying,while the rest pirate.

But what about the ones that pay? If they buy a console and stay in the consoles area,imagine what will happen...every year the Pc market is losing sales because MS and Sony gain more casual and Pc gamers. MS is leaving the Pc market,but doesn`t make it official...they will make you play exclusive Pc games on Windows and not Apple and they will be very happy. The developers and publishers will not be happy with rising Pc piracy and decresing Pc players that actually buy games.

So enjoy the scraps that fell under MS table,they will not be any when the consoles gain the marketshare they need/had to get.



Barozi on 30 January 2009
shio said:
FKNetwork said:

I've been into PC and console gaming for almost 16 years,

I have a very high spec PC (quad core, 4gb ram, 8600GT etc) which plays the latest games on high settings but I still left PC gaming late last year and went with console gaming instead,

Not had one regret and am so glad I ditched pc gaming! consoles are for gaming, pc's aren't (imo), there is a reason the pc gaming market is declining year after year while the console market is breaking records every year!

Go figure.....

wow, what hole did you crawl from? PC is probably the fastest growing gaming platform! Just go take a look at the superior 2009 lineup of PC.

fact ?



nightsurge on 30 January 2009
shio said:
FKNetwork said:

I've been into PC and console gaming for almost 16 years,

I have a very high spec PC (quad core, 4gb ram, 8600GT etc) which plays the latest games on high settings but I still left PC gaming late last year and went with console gaming instead,

Not had one regret and am so glad I ditched pc gaming! consoles are for gaming, pc's aren't (imo), there is a reason the pc gaming market is declining year after year while the console market is breaking records every year!

Go figure.....

wow, what hole did you crawl from? PC is probably the fastest growing gaming platform! Just go take a look at the superior 2009 lineup of PC.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2339845,00.asp

PC Game Sales Plunge in 2008; Consoles Soar

And not to dig up old bones here, but here is a ranking of graphics cards.  Remember how the ME requirements were a Geforce 6800GT or better?  And you thought a Geforce 7100 integrated chip would be plenty? 

This list is laptop graphics:

Class 2


» GeForce Go 6800 - Minimum for ME
» Quadro FX Go 1400
» Mobility Radeon X800XT
» Mobility Radeon X1700
» Mobility FireGL V5250
» Mobility Radeon X2500
» GeForce Go 7600
» Quadro NVS 300M
» Mobility Radeon X800
» Mobility Radeon X1600
» Mobility FireGl V5200
» Mobility Radeon 9800
» GeForce Go 6600

Class 3

» Mobility Radeon X1450
» Mobility Radeon X700
» Mobility FireGL V5000
» GeForce 8400M GT
» Quadro NVS 140M
» Mobility Radeon X1350
» Mobility Radeon X1400
» GeForce 9300M G
» GeForce 9300M GS
» GeForce 9200M GS
» Mobility Radeon HD 3470
» Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT
» Quadro FX 360M
» GeForce 8400M GS
» Quadro NVS 135M
» Mobility Radeon HD 3450
» Mobility Radeon HD 2400
» Mobility Radeon HD 3430
» Radeon HD 3200
» GeForce 8400M G
» Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 4500MHD
» Quadro NVS 130M
» GeForce 9100M G
» GeForce 8200M G
» GeForce Go 7400
» Quadro FX 350M
» Quadro NVS 120M
» GeForce Go 7300
» Quadro NVS 110M
» Mobility Radeon X600
» Mobility FireGL V3200
» Mobility Radeon X2300
» Mobility Radeon HD 2300
» Mobility Radeon 9700
» Mobility FireGL T2e
» Mobility FireGL V3100

Class 4

» Mobility Radeon X1300
» GeForce4 4200 Go
» Mobility Radeon 9600
» Mobility FireGL T2
» Quadro FX Go 1000
» Mobility Radeon 9550
» GeForce Go 7200
» GeForce Go 6400
» Mobility Radeon X300
» GeForce Go 6250
» GeForce Go 6200
» GeForce FX Go 5700
» GeForce FX Go 5600 / 5650

Class 5

» Radeon Xpress X1270
» Radeon Xpress X1250
» Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) X3100
» Radeon Xpress X1200
» Radeon Xpress 1250
» Radeon Xpress 1150
» GeForce 7150M
» GeForce Go 6150
» GeForce Go 6100
» GeForce 7000M
» GeForce FX Go 5200
» Mobility Radeon 9200
» Mobility Radeon 9000
» GeForce 4 488 Go
» GeForce 4 460 Go
» GeForce 4 440 Go
» GeForce 4 420 Go
» Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 950
» Mobility Radeon 7500
» Mobility FireGL 7800
» Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 900
» Radeon Xpress 200M
» Radeon Xpress 1100

And here is a list for Desktop Graphics:

71. 6800GT - Minimum for ME
72. 6800GS
73. X800XL
74. X850Pro
75. X800pro
76. X800GTO/GTO2
77. 8500GT
78. X1650GT
79. X1650Pro
80. X1600XT
81. 7600GS
82. HD2400XT
83. X800
84. 6800
85. X800GT
86. 7300GT
87. X1300XT
88. X1600Pro
89. 8400GS
90. 6800XT/LE
91. 6600GT
92. HD2400Pro
93. X700Pro
94. 9800XT
95. 5950Ultra
96. 9800Pro
97. 5900Ultra
98. 9700Pro
99. 5800Ultra
100. 9800
101. 9800SE 256bit
102. S3 Chrome S27
103. X700
104. 9700
105. 5900
106. 5800
107. X1300Pro
108. 6600
109. 5900XT
110. X600XT
111. TI4800
112. TI4600
113. 9600XT
114. TI4800SE
115. X1550
116. X1300
117. 5700Ultra
118. 9500Pro
119. 9800SE 128bit
120. X600
121. 9600Pro
122. TI4400
123. 9500
124. 6600LE
125. X1300SE
126. 5700
127. 7300GS
128. 9600
129. 7100GS