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that can be done with anything. firstly KEFKA was a failed magicite? experiment, Sephy was the son of an alien entity. Kefka was insane, no real purpose or drive. Sephy knew what he was doing, he was forfilling his mother's wishes. Avalanche were eco TERRORISTS who actually did a few bad things on accident. Cloud was a fakehero to the throne, really was Zack. Cloud lost his love, complicating his love triangle. nothing like that in VI. they actually KILLED a vital character.

The 2 have similarities , they r not just alike.

I haven't played too many JRPGs but from what I've heard, it's easily Chrono Trigger. I suppose I should try it, too.

We have already been over this with the FFXII = Star Wars fiasco. That can be done with every evil empire story ever. The stories are only alike if didn't pay atention to any detail.

And while we're on it, Sephiroth didn't want to destroy the world and Kefka was not a soldier and had no experiments done on him. And the wing thing is just nitpicking.

First things first. Get over yourself. I hate to break it to you but the world doesn't revolve around you and what you think. You made the blanket statement that Final Fantasy has never been gross disappointment. Well there are quite a few people that disagree. In my case FFVII was that game. I've seen people have similar feelings on FFVIII, FFX, and FFXII. I frankly could care less what you think and I have better things to do than get a rise out of fanboys. Frankly I'm damned sick and tired of stating why I think FFVII is overrated but I guess I'm humor you.

Final Fantasy VII had terrible characters, a poor story, bad gameplay, and suspect graphics and sound. I did not find Cloud likeable. His woe as me act got old. He co-opted Zack's life, slapped Aerith around, and just watched as Aerith was killed by Sephiroth, and handed him over the materia that allowed him to call done meteor.

Sephiroth is one the shallowiest villians in series history. After years of exemplary military service, he supposedly reads of his origins and decides to go on a murderous rampage. If he really read his origins, he would have known that his parents were Lucretia and Hojo. Every member of Soldier was implanted with Jenova cells, the only difference is that Sephiroth received them when he was in the womb.

Tifa, where do I begin. She knew Cloud was not being honest about what happened in Nibelheim, yet she said nothing. She put all of Avalanche at risk. You think she would have at least tipped off Barret or maybe pulled Cloud aside and asked what the hell was going on. Hojo was essentially the real villian, most of the events in the game were the results of his actions. Although you never get an inkling as to why he did any of it.

The gameplay was just plain broken. Your characters essentially only differed in appearance only. Sure they had different limit breaks but other than that, they could get the same skills. All your best melee fights could get all the best spells. They stripped the strategy out of party composition. FFVI had similar flaws but they didn't appear until your characters started to hit level 60 or so. The game just dumbed down in general. Only three party members, extremely limited equipment options. One weapon, one piece of "armor", and one accessory. There was no real reason to use anyone but Cloud, Tifa, and Cid. You didn't have to plan around any weakeness because thanks to materia, your characters had none.

The whole point of going with rendered backgrounds was to provided detailed polygon models. Not in FFVII. You got beautiful backgrounds being patrolled by Popeye armed monstrosities. At least the battle graphics were nice for the time, unfortunately outside of battle you had to deal with stark contrast between the character models and the backgrounds. Resident Evil did a good job with rendered backdrops with polygonal characters. FFVII did not.

The score it of FFVII was actually one of the few things I did like about the game. I never could figure out why the sound quality of a 3 CD PS1 game was inferior to the 3MB SNES cartridge that was FFVI. There was no reason for the more capable PS1 to have worse MIDI sound quality than an SNES game. That was the case. Also where was the voice acting? After playing Lunar 1 and Lunar 2, I figured I'd get something from FFVII. What was all that space being used for?

I could go on, but I'm at work and I just got a delivery.

Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger

And you call yourself a FFVII fan??? I guess you didn't had Vincent in your party....

But for the most older FF gamers FFVII was just a FFVI remix... thats why we don't like it as much.. still a good game..

Chrono Trigger (no need for explanation), Secret of Mana (best multiplayer RPG ive experienced), Kingdom Hearts..nuff said :P

Like write an 8 paragraph post to do just that?

You haven't played the games did you?

@Darc: I respect your opinion, you seem to know the game's story quite a lot.
I thought Tifa didn't say anything about Cloud not speaking the truth cause she was scared. She wasn't even sure that guy was actualy Cloud, and was afraid to spoil everything by asking him what was going on. Some people like o live in lie.
You make good points with the battle system and graphics, although I could care less about graphics. I thought the highly costumizable characters were kind of cool.