Eh somewhat.

A lot of what America and the rest of the West accomplished Marx saw as impossible except through violent struggle.

Stalin and the rest basically followed his tenants though... with a bit too much personal greed, but that was to be expected and tolerable assuming the goal was successful... which wasn't so long as western nations existed.

It's impossible to know whether Marx would see the revisions made to society as "enough" or whether it would prove to him things could ultimatly be how he wanted without all the crazy stuff.

Weak atheist. I believe that there probably is no God as no evidence points towards it, however no evidence contradicts the existence of God so I'm willing to accept the belief of people that God started everything and then kind of sat back and chilled out with a cold beer.

@Strategyking. That really was pretty offensive y'know. Atheists really don't want or need pity, we simply have different beliefs to you.

I need to get around to reading that too... I'[ve been too time constrained ever since getting into college. However, one great evil to remove all future evils really is fine by me. Depending on how great the evil is, preferably it doesn't include mass massacres.

As for the American Government and Marx. The distribution of wealth in the US is even worse (fewer people holding more wealth) than what Marx speculated.

It would have to involve mass murders.  No other way for it to work out the way he plans it out.

You'd need to basically kill or segregate entire groups of older people who thought differently or threaten to kill them...

reducate the children till they all thought of communism as natural, and then kill off all the government.... then comit suicide. 

Only way to make the despotisim that would reducate everyone go away into one giant brainwashing away of things such as desire.

It's not a bad read really, i had to read a bunch of marx for my psychology major.

As for what marx speculated... while wealth is more unevenly distributed... the actual living conditions are much higher then he ever thought possible.

Huh, I had a choice to pick Marx for one of my english classes (every class had a theme they focused on). I ended up choosing zombies which turned out FAR more enlightening than I could have ever expected. Also it turned out to be the hardest of all the english classes.... I didn't know there was so much social commentary in that topic at all.

Ha! It's not pity, merely disbelief that someone would choose a dark nothingness after death.

I don't know if you misunderstood me or what, but you seem to still be clinging to a stereotype.

As Mark Twain once said, I was dead billions of years before I was alive and it never inconvenienced me the slightest.

If your dead and cease to exist you wont ever realise you were ever alive anyway so you wont have anything to worry about since you'll be dead :)

Kasz216 said: Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing. Well he is very religious despite being very liberal.  He does plan to greatly expand Bush's funding of churches and other religious orginizations with government money... that and his constant talk of god made him threaten a lot of evangelical votes despite his pro-life stance. I mean the vast majority of our Presidents weren't really religious at all.... I mean the most religious are probably Obama and Bush Senior... and like a couple of the earlier ones that weren't Free Masons.  (Of which there are like  14-18.  I mean... being a freemason doesn't exclude one from being religious... but they were very open about accepting all religions.)

Can you explain this?

Is Obama very religious?  (and by that do you mean he is an active church goer and respects religious people and religion as an institution, or do you believe he is an actual believer?)

"despite his pro-life stance" - are you talking about Obama or someone else??

And Bush Senior more religious than Bush Jr?? I never got the impression that Bush Sr was very religious while Bush Jr has been very open with his faith and being born again and stuff.

I believe in God.

I'm surprised that so many here are atheists and liberals.