Nothing against the OP, but I don't think we have to question which console is more powerful anymore. When the 360 can match the real time footage we have seen from Killzone 2, Infamous, Heavy Rain, Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted 1 or 2, or Gran Turismo 5 Prologue then we may have to come back, but I doubt that will happen. Even if 360 reaches the level of the above mentioned games, PS3 will already have moved beyond this level buy that time.

 If we are talking theoretical numbers... then the GPU in the 360 can theoretically perform at 100 percent it's theoretical limits.  The best modern non unified GPUs do is 70 percent.  As for the shared ram... No... that would be a waste... the amount of time it would take to actually move to the CPU bus to utilize the 256 megs of xdr ram is insane.  The GPU can only access 256 megs of ram at a time in a normal game.

I am still waiting for MikeB to clear things up.

 It's amazing that there are people who are this blind.  Even Halo 3 didn't have the budgit of Killzone 2 and MGS4 doesn't look to much better than Gears 1 did.  Uncharted 1 isn't some awesome game that can't be done it's simply the work of a superb developer who low coded a engine to work on the insanely difficult to program for system.  A Lot of the BS you Sony fanboys spew is retarded... that you think those devs can't produce those same levels on the 360 is an insult to them.  Barring your ever present statement of BR vs DVD size the systems are pretty even... they have strengths and weaknesses that hold on from being obviously better than the other.

u obviously havent seen those games have you?

even rock textures, when you move have shaders working on it, and when you move to fast things get blurred , even his clothes get wet.

GT5 well a game running at 1080p 60fps again forza 2 is 720p.

if bring killzone 2 here because everything from particles, smoke, blood and shaders animation are way over everything i have seen  on a console.

metal gear solid 4

gears 2:

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Well to be fair they would of added FF13 1 year ago.

I really havent seen anything on the PS3 that looks leaps and bounds over the 360 in fact on many games I see teh opposite. There are a few stand outs on the PS3 but Uncharted is definitely not one of them...though it is a fun game and very easy to overlook. MGS4 looks very good for a console game but the game uses many tricks to enable that level of detail and it is still very monotone. I have seen games that used middleware on the 360 that looked almost as good.

Case in point I have a blast with Wipeout on the PS3 the graphics technically aren't a marvel....but the game is fun and I think the graphics are perfect for the game.

I still failed to be impressed by KZ2 and I feel that while the game looks good many Sony fanboys look at the game with a skewed perspective. Either that or I am spoiled by my PC and missing the boat completely. The fact that the poster mentioned Infamous only reinforces this opinion. Heavy Rain is a different story but as the game is not released yet and to my knowledge no gameplay demonstrated out of video it is difficult to gauge at this point but it certainly is not the best graphics I have ever seen.

I dont see why games like Uncharted, MGS4, KZ:2, Heavy Rain, GT:5 cant be reproduce on the 360? oh, maybe cuz they are Sony's 1st party games, and they all average well over 3 years in development..

 If Forza Motor Sport takes 3 years 4 or more to develope as GT:5, I bet it will look as good or better.

KOJIMA said Mgs4 can be done on the 360 but on multi disk...the word is, it can be done.

Nothing special with Uncharted that the 360 can handle  ..I seen it, played it , my bro owns it, my cuz owns it , what's that on that game that the 360 wont handle?

Heavy Rain reminds me of Alan Wake so I dont see why not.

KZ:2 is like close to 5 years in developent if they dont please Sony they diserve to be fired, Sony gave them no time table the game is complete when is completed...   Ha ...give Halo that amount of time nd then we'll talk.

They say those games mentioned above have lots of partical effects that the 360 cant handle?  I play Gears Of War 2 on a 56inch plasma HDTV you will be amazed of how partical extreme this game is with insane details in that kind of setup.

 LOL. IMO Heavy Rain, Alan Wake and Kingdom Under Fire 2 are all more graphically impressive than KZ2.

I guess fanboys will even argue with Cell producers. Now I have lost all respect for alot of fanboys. Why would someone make themselves look silly like that?

this feels like E3 2005 all over again.. yes both are pretty and both rock..I cant wait for some wii FB to boast about motion control at this point as well!

I say one word-Killzone 2