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Gnizmo said:
BTFeather55 said:
Gnizmo said:
They might work for most people I suppose. I chose Phillistine specifically because it is associated with the uncultured, and unwashed masses. It retains the air of disdain while added a level of sophistication to the insult making it work better all around. I might be over-thinking it though.

 

      Maybe Wiisenes is better?  The Essenes were always looking for their Messiah to come along.

 No that would be more for the PS3 really. The constant "XXXX game will save the PS#!!!" by the obnoxious over-zealous fanboys fits the messiah build. Wiidomites has some potentia now that I think about it, as Sodomites are also viewed rather negatively in the past. Wiibrews is just kind of funny so I likes it.

 

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they fail the same way other major gaming sites and magazines have failed to see the broader workings of the gaming industry. Wii Music is something different and unique and they bash it and wish for it to fail? Then complain that gaming is getting stale?

I've come ot my own realization that gaming sites such as IGN or magazines like GI are out of touch with the mainstream consumer. After the perfect 10 scores for GTAIV I began to take IGN's opinions with a grain of salt.



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It's kind of sad that IGN staff actually believed they had the kind of influence they thought they did. I mean really, realistically, they're one website, and hardly the definitive website for Nintendo-related news at that. About all they really did was draw more attention to the game from anybody who saw their poorly written and highly unprofessional review of it.



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Gnizmo said:

BTFeather55 said:

    But according to cognitive dissonance, you can convince yourself that you enjoy something, and not even know that you don't enjoy it.  In effect, if you're working at a factory where you have to work at a very boring task like sticking paper clips together all day and you have to do it for very low wages, you will convince yourself that you really enjoy the job rather than admit that you hate it because by believing you enjoy it, you are fulfilling your own feelings of self worth.

 Yes, but you are missing a central point to all of it. You have to be compelled to do the task for it to actually kick in. If you can choose to quit at anytime with no ill-effect then there is no need for the individual to trick him/herself into actually enjoying it more than they would. Voluntarily playing a game does not fall under that category. You are mis-applying the theory.

 If you want a better way to make your point I can offer you one. Attack the fan review sites over say IGN. Given that both are compelled to review the game the theory can apply. The fansites are going to give a more glowing and positive review befause they have gotten little, if any, compensation. IGN reviewers will be (relatively) well paid for their work however, giving it a less positive spin. Random fans (and detractors) of the game will not really be applicable as they are just voicing their opinions because thats what they want to do and not really be subject to the same principles as the other two. Make sense?

 

      Yes, but if one had some kind of ulterior motive either for or against Wii Music, then couldn't it be said that their ulterior motive was responsible or compelling them to feel the way that they do about the game?  Couldn't it be an uncontrolled variable that was responsible for their feelings of favor towards or negative feelings against Wii Music?

     Naturally the people that have a strong liking for the Wii and its games are going to feel more favorable towards Wii Music than fans of other consoles that don't say they particularly enjoy the game.

     From what I've read from the favorable crowd for Wii Music. It is a game that you can enjoy if you want to learn to make music and that you must have some musical talent to really get the most from it.  I would expect a gaming site that was reviewing such a game for a general public that might not want to put that much effort into such a game that quite a few people in that mass audience wouldn't have the talent to find much enjoyment from to begin with and that they wouldn't want to invest the time to develop dormant music talents in, wouldn't rate such a game as a must purchase item for most people.  It's like if a company made an accounting software program that would teach you how to be an accountant.  Well, if you're reveiwing the program for a mainstream audience and knew that many of them didn't want to be CPA's, then would you review the program as something that everybody in that audience needs to rush out and enjoy?

 



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This is the kind of thing that reduces igns street credit. Why cant they just give credit where its due?



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BTFeather55 said:
Gnizmo said:
BTFeather55 said:
Yeah, but I don't like to have to pay $50.00 to have to think for myself. And what you're saying, have you ever heard of the social psychological principle of cognitive dissonance?  It basically says that if you are compelled to do something, then you will say that you really enjoy it more because you want to have a justification for why you enjoy something other than admit the truth about it.
I have done experiments on it in fact. It does not in anyway apply here though. At least not in the way you seem to want to apply it. Unfortunately for you the reason people are defending the game is likely because they actually enjoyed the game. Unless the people here are somehow compelled to respond (which they are not) this is just a genuine reflection of their personal views.
Famousringo said:
Wiistian? That's terrible. Even Wiitard was a better word than that.

Try something that actually rolls off the tongue, like Wiipublican or Wiiligious zealot.

I think Wiiastines would be the best. A subtle play on Phillistines. The added a is needed to make the word roll off the tongue though which slightly diminishes the immediate connection. Still I think it conjures the desired imagery and is far less directly insulting than wiitard.
But according to cognitive dissonance, you can convince yourself that you enjoy something, and not even know that you don't enjoy it.  In effect, if you're working at a factory where you have to work at a very boring task like sticking paper clips together all day and you have to do it for very low wages, you will convince yourself that you really enjoy the job rather than admit that you hate it because by believing you enjoy it, you are fulfilling your own feelings of self worth.

Wiistian is the best word because it rhymes with Christian and Nintendo fans that say that Wii games can do know wrong are the Nintendo version of Christians.  Most people don't know the word Philistines, but everybody knows the word Christian and what one is talking about when they make a statement about Christians.  Wiiligious Zealot is pretty good, but I was trying to be less insulting than to say "Wii cultist" which I would say is about the same thing.

Back to cognitive dissonance?  Very well, let's see what was said last time on that topic. 
--noname2200 mentioned "confirmation bias", the tendency to see the result you want to see. 
--You responded that the major review sites were negative, so it's not bias, just the truth, and anyway you disliked what you saw on the video.

Now, HappySquirrel had made an earlier post on this subject: 
Now, there are very few games which legitimately have 50% of their review scores above 70% (with 25% above 80%) and also have a lot of scores in the 30%, 40% and 50% range ... Now, when you have reviewers bragging about how they are going to trash a game before they have played it the reason why there is such a discrepancy becomes clear.

The reason he was alluding to is of course that the people choosing to give it low scores were biased -- they refused to give the game a fair chance because they had already decided that it must suck, or were simply subconsciously predisposed to be unfairly harsh on the game. 

Moving on, I presume you're pronouncing "Wiistian" as 'Weestchin', since the ending is the same as in Christian.  But not only does that not sound catchy, it also does not naturally make me think of associating it with the word Christian.  I don't know exactly why, but it's true, and if I am a common example, then it's basically just an in-joke that you have to explain every time you use it in front of new people, which makes it ineffective as an insult or otherwise. 

"Wiilistine", on the other hand, may not have as many people recognize the root word (once explained), but will probably have more people recognize it without assistance IMO, and certainly have more people make the correct association.  (Some people might make the Wii-Christian association, for example, but fail to realize the 'Wii=Jesus' mentality you are trying to imply.  In contrast, I can't think of another way to interpret a Wii-Philistine association.) 

I'd consider "Wii cultist" to be less insulting than "Wiiligious zealot", and also more attractive to people who dislike wordplay.  That might be your best bet, or something similar like "Wii fanatic", etc.  It doesn't really matter, you know, since all your cute little derogatory appellations will utterly fail to catch on, much less have any effect. [edit:  I think others are way ahead of me.]



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BTFeather55 said: 

      Yes, but if one had some kind of ulterior motive either for or against Wii Music, then couldn't it be said that their ulterior motive was responsible or compelling them to feel the way that they do about the game?  Couldn't it be an uncontrolled variable that was responsible for their feelings of favor towards or negative feelings against Wii Music?

     Naturally the people that have a strong liking for the Wii and its games are going to feel more favorable towards Wii Music than fans of other consoles that don't say they particularly enjoy the game.

     From what I've read from the favorable crowd for Wii Music. It is a game that you can enjoy if you want to learn to make music and that you must have some musical talent to really get the most from it.  I would expect a gaming site that was reviewing such a game for a general public that might not want to put that much effort into such a game that quite a few people in that mass audience wouldn't have the talent to find much enjoyment from to begin with and that they wouldn't want to invest the time to develop dormant music talents in, wouldn't rate such a game as a must purchase item for most people.  It's like if a company made an accounting software program that would teach you how to be an accountant.  Well, if you're reveiwing the program for a mainstream audience and knew that many of them didn't want to be CPA's, then would you review the program as something that everybody in that audience needs to rush out and enjoy?

 Indeed, but it is explained by other ideas. Confirmation bias (as suggested earlier by noname) is a much more likely factor. They either really wanted to like or hate the game and found the faults or lack there of as a consequence. This isn't really the same as tricking yourself into enjoying it though, so much as tricking yourself into not caring about the bad spots or good spots depending. So really it detracts from the validity of both sides fairly equally.

 I would review it based on how fun it seems to be, and how well it was made. I wouldn't go into the review hating it though as that would almost certainly skew the results. IGN as a whole clearly hated the game from longbefore they reviewed it. This is made crystal clear by at least one article written in the wake of the games release. As such their review can be discredited rather easily. Given this is a strong trend in gaming review sites it would be safe to say the Metacritic/Gameranking score is not the best reflection of the games over-all quality. I would say the same of a lot of games though so take that for what it is worth.



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PhalanxCO said:
Gnizmo said:
BTFeather55 said:
Gnizmo said:
They might work for most people I suppose. I chose Phillistine specifically because it is associated with the uncultured, and unwashed masses. It retains the air of disdain while added a level of sophistication to the insult making it work better all around. I might be over-thinking it though.

 

      Maybe Wiisenes is better?  The Essenes were always looking for their Messiah to come along.

 No that would be more for the PS3 really. The constant "XXXX game will save the PS#!!!" by the obnoxious over-zealous fanboys fits the messiah build. Wiidomites has some potentia now that I think about it, as Sodomites are also viewed rather negatively in the past. Wiibrews is just kind of funny so I likes it.

 

Actually, I was referring to Edomites.  I didn't even think of Sodomites until after it was too late.

     Wiibrews fits as the Wii has been kind of a Promised Land for the Nintendo faithful that was out wondering in the desert with the N64 and GCN for eight years.

 



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