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This is a morally ambiguous area for me... While I detest the idea of abortion and what our willingness as a species to accept it means (murder of the innocent, the idea you can make a problem just "go away" without dealing with the repercussions), I'm also firmly in the Libertarian camp.

While I don't like abortion, I don't feel it's my right to tell others what to do with a pregnancy. If we're allowed to kill legally through capital punishment (but strangely, not euthanasia), abortion is little different in my eyes.

In short, pro-choice.




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I remember reading that a woman who has an abortion is 55% more likely to commit suicide because of depression due to hormonal and chemical imbalances from the abortion... Still think she has her own choice? It simply shouldn't be done... people should also have to deal with the consequences of having pre-marital (and especially unprotected) sex. If you want to keep global population down, get China to stop throwing girls away like trash into adoption clinics because they are not born a boy, by telling the UN to make an ordinance or such to get rid of the population laws in China, or make it a highly penalized crime. Advocate sex-ed. Be a PARENT, and talk about "safer" sex. And make sure to say that it is "safer sex", because a condom is only 90% effective, and Birth-control is only 85% effective... bla bla bla... I could go on for ages...




L.C.E.C. said:
I remember reading that a woman who has an abortion is 55% more likely to commit suicide because of depression due to hormonal and chemical imbalances from the abortion... Still think she has her own choice? It simply shouldn't be done... people should also have to deal with the consequences of having pre-marital (and especially unprotected) sex. If you want to keep global population down, get China to stop throwing girls away like trash into adoption clinics because they are not born a boy, by telling the UN to make an ordinance or such to get rid of the population laws in China, or make it a highly penalized crime. Advocate sex-ed. Be a PARENT, and talk about "safer" sex. And make sure to say that it is "safer sex", because a condom is only 90% effective, and Birth-control is only 85% effective... bla bla bla... I could go on for ages...

1) I read that the world is going to end in 2012.  Just because you read something doesn't mean it is true.

2) Decrease population by getting rid of population control laws?  That doesn't make sense.  But yes, I agree that China's handling of the problem has been deplorable, although the situation has actually gotten better in the country because of the overall rise in wealth there.

3) This wouldn't be as much of an issue if many of the people who are pro-life weren't also against anything but abstinence only education in schools, not to mention avoid discussing anything like a condom with their kid like the plague.  I'm all for increased education about sex, but some people avoid it like the plague for some reason.

 

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

American people are sooooo funny: "Wouhou, We're all pro-lifes but we also are pro-death penalty ..."

I'm pro-choice of course ...



steven787 said:
Yes. I went from conservatism, to liberalism, to shut-the-f-up-ism.

 

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akuma587 said:
L.C.E.C. said:
I remember reading that a woman who has an abortion is 55% more likely to commit suicide because of depression due to hormonal and chemical imbalances from the abortion... Still think she has her own choice? It simply shouldn't be done... people should also have to deal with the consequences of having pre-marital (and especially unprotected) sex. If you want to keep global population down, get China to stop throwing girls away like trash into adoption clinics because they are not born a boy, by telling the UN to make an ordinance or such to get rid of the population laws in China, or make it a highly penalized crime. Advocate sex-ed. Be a PARENT, and talk about "safer" sex. And make sure to say that it is "safer sex", because a condom is only 90% effective, and Birth-control is only 85% effective... bla bla bla... I could go on for ages...

1) I read that the world is going to end in 2012.  Just because you read something doesn't mean it is true.

2) Decrease population by getting rid of population control laws?  That doesn't make sense.  But yes, I agree that China's handling of the problem has been deplorable, although the situation has actually gotten better in the country because of the overall rise in wealth there.

3) This wouldn't be as much of an issue if many of the people who are pro-life weren't also against anything but abstinence only education in schools, not to mention avoid discussing anything like a condom with their kid like the plague.  I'm all for increased education about sex, but some people avoid it like the plague for some reason.

 

It wasn't just some article... It was an article in Time... although, I do believe the statistics are a little exaggerated (I believe that no one study can uncover the EXACT truth), although, I DO believe every study has its significance.. For example, the study that says "cellphones cause brain cancer, and puts those already at risk at a heightened risk" does not seem plausible considering the hundreds of other studies with opposite results standing against them... However, I do believe that it could put those with a medical history of brain cancer at an increased risk (If someone's father and grandfathers, ect. had brain cancer, it may increase the chances).

2. You never know, maybe the world will end in 2012... Maybe not... That would suck though, because then I would die at 20 and wouldn't be legal to drink...




Tremble said:
American people are sooooo funny: "Wouhou, We're all pro-lifes but we also are pro-death penalty ..."

I'm pro-choice of course ...

Life is only precious sometimes.  Duh! 

Jesus hates convicted felons.  Didn't you see that part of the Bible?  He would certainly never forgive them.  He would probably recommend we crucify them.  I mean it couldn't have been that bad.  I mean Jesus did come back from the dead after three days.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
Tremble said:
American people are sooooo funny: "Wouhou, We're all pro-lifes but we also are pro-death penalty ..."

I'm pro-choice of course ...

Life is only precious sometimes.  Duh! 

Jesus hates convicted felons.  Didn't you see that part of the Bible?  He would certainly never forgive them.  He would probably recommend we crucify them.  I mean it couldn't have been that bad.  I mean Jesus did come back from the dead after three days.

 

Forgiveness has no boundaries akuma.

 



halogamer1989 said:
akuma587 said:
Tremble said:
American people are sooooo funny: "Wouhou, We're all pro-lifes but we also are pro-death penalty ..."

I'm pro-choice of course ...

Life is only precious sometimes.  Duh! 

Jesus hates convicted felons.  Didn't you see that part of the Bible?  He would certainly never forgive them.  He would probably recommend we crucify them.  I mean it couldn't have been that bad.  I mean Jesus did come back from the dead after three days.

 

Forgiveness has no boundaries akuma.

 

So I take it your anti-death penalty then...or do I even have to ask?

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
halogamer1989 said:
akuma587 said:
Tremble said:
American people are sooooo funny: "Wouhou, We're all pro-lifes but we also are pro-death penalty ..."

I'm pro-choice of course ...

Life is only precious sometimes.  Duh! 

Jesus hates convicted felons.  Didn't you see that part of the Bible?  He would certainly never forgive them.  He would probably recommend we crucify them.  I mean it couldn't have been that bad.  I mean Jesus did come back from the dead after three days.

 

Forgiveness has no boundaries akuma.

 

So I take it your anti-death penalty then...or do I even have to ask?

 

 

This isn't an insult at Halo, it's just happened several times between us.

Halo has no sense of sarcasm.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.