Good grief.

1) The people who say that Wii competes with 360 & PS3 are saying that it happens, in reality. No one--not PS360 fanboys, Wii fanboys, HD spokesmen, Wii spokesmen, or President-Elect Obama--can come out and make a speech that makes it not so. Because it is so, by the nature of the marketplace.

The rest is just spin.

2) The idea that Nintendo "doesn't compete" has a lot of root in statements a while back from Nintendo people, not MS or Sony. So, this quote doesn't feel new, regardless of when it was made. (I'm sure you can find some of those old quotes, if you look hard enough.) This has long been Nintendo's PR strategy & business approach: they don't feel that they're at war with other console makers, but with people's indifference and apathy. It's actually a rather 'high road' approach, but it has nothing to do with the hard realities of the market that you can see in the weekly numbers, or the announced 3rd party projects, or the shelf space that most people mean when they refer to "competition."

3) If it *were* true that Nintendo & PS360 "didn't compete" this gen, what would that say about PS3? That they just completely dropped the ball without any serious competition? What would it say about the marketplace? That the 100 million+ who bought PS2s last gen just decided not to play current gen video games? Those things would be *apocalyptic* signs for those who want HD gaming, and video gaming in general, to succeed.

And why do people want them not to compete in the first place? So they don't have to admit losing to the Wii? Fine. But isn't that a shallow goal, given the dire straits the PS3 finds itself in now, anyways? And what 360 fan wants to claim "we're #1!" when, deep down inside, they know it ain't so? I'd have thought "hardcore gamers" would want meaningful successes, and not to weasel out success-in-name-only via forum debate.

4) This is obviously a troll thread, so maybe it's kind of dumb for me to try to show the OP things he's obviously not interested in seeing. But it's already typed out, so, I guess I'll post.

Lol, so does big and tall compete with osh kosh? rofl your logic reflects how much time you've spent thinking about the subject.

about #3) umm yes, they did completely drop the ball, or did you forget the 599$+ price tag silly?

the actual problem is this. HD doesn't mant to lose market share to the Wii because we think that devs will stop making good games. We watch the trend of what is happening and haven't seen much come out of the wii. Without sony and MS, PC is the last vestige of hardcore gaming.

This is all based on past releases, but we have already seen two games on the wii get a thorough whitewashing, mkwii and SSBB. We just don't want to see that happen to our games.

BTW: Not going to happen, mongolia is 360 territory, they all buy 360 as a cheap source of heating :P

they saying that now cause they have significant lead....they getting to cocky...they need to stop talking nonsense and give gamers GAMES and not minigames bull

haha deny it all you want, the wii isnt competing in the same market as the xbox and ps3. its like comparing sales of the works trucks vs compact cars

for god's sake, what else I'm i going to hear in this thread.....

you calling Ps3 a work truck if you didn't notice

@theprof: The last year lineup catered pretty well everyone and (aside Animal Crossing) Q4 had Disaster, really good core game btw, shame that the retail haven't really taken it to shelves.

I said in the first page, that what Nintendo is meaning with the statement, is that regardless of PS360 success, Wii will succeed, but it won't work the other way around.
Notice how the newer PR have turned from "not competing" to "competing".
Nintendos strategy from the beginning have been this:
1. Build installbase by building it on a different userbase than the competition.
2. Keep the previous Gamecube owners along, while building core games library for the future.
3. Start upstreaming your customers.
4. Start the competition with your rivals.

That's excactly what Nintendo has been doing.
About the entering the competition, i don't know whether Nintendo planned to wait for a trigger event or just a certain timeframe after the release. But Nintendo have expected from the beginning for the competition to copy the controller and that it takes time for 3rd parties to jump aboard.

Possible timeframe could be the time Nintendo expects 3rd parties to get a grip (notice Nintendo been talking about the third parties being able to compete when they put their best teams on the games - for two years).

And possible trigger events:
1. Competition entering the "new market".
2. 3rd parties financials going bad enough.
3. Competitions financials going bad enough.
4. Nintendo waiting for the early adopter (ie graphics whores) to get their HD consoles.
5. Competition moving down in the core market (relates to number four).
6. To have big enough market share.

2 and 3 both have happened, Sony doing badly overall, M$ closing a studio and selling one out (could be due to finance pricecut), 3rd parties going under and mentioning that they can't ignore Wii.
4 have most propably happened by now.
5 would be the latest pricecut 360 had.
6 would be to cross a psychological barrier, for example 50% marketshare (which leads to a situation where, even if studios/publishers ignore Wii, the investors doesn't).

The idea has been to take over the new market before anyone else does and fight for it if needed, while letting the competition have the most high end market. Then move upstream to core market, while competition comes down from the high end market, and then fight for the core market, to force the competition back to the high end market.

So, we could propably expect quite a few core titles for Wii next year.

I meant, we could expect this year.

I think we can take this as meaning the following:

Nintendo is not competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Nintendo is competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Sony and Microsoft are competing for the attention of hardcore gamers.
Sony and Microsoft are not (this is changing slowly) competing for the attention of non-gamers.

Therefore they are not directly in competition in so far as target audience.