By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General - Discussion: Terrorism, Israel, Hamas, etc

^^^ Thank you.

It is quite true. Hamas has bragged about this for quite some time. They are not dishonest about their intentions either. They make it quite public that their goal is the total annihilation of the Jewish State, and nothing short of that is acceptable to them.

So any "peace plan" will ever work with Hamas, because they are very open with their stance that they don't want peace... they want Israel to suffer and die.

I just can't understand why this concept is so hard to understand for so many people...

I can't think of anything better than peace, and neither can the Israelis. But if your enemy flat-out declares that they refuse to make peace, how can anyone believe that it's a process that can work?

In order for any two groups on the face of the Earth to make peace, a few key points have to be met.

A. Both sides have to be tired of fighting. (Hamas has said they'll never throw in the towel and stop fighting)

B. Both sides must be willing to accept the other's existence (Hamas loudly boasts that they'll never except anything except a Palestine from the River to the Sea.. in other words, NO Israel.. not an inch to the Jews).

So, considering the very two most basic principals of a working peace cannot be agreed upon, what is a democratic nation to do? Sit back and allow rockets to hit schools and homes? Of course not, and any person on the planet would expect their government to stop such atrocities, and Israelis are no exception.

Anti-semitism has been renamed anti-Zionism...

And if I am wrong, tell me why Jews (who are not even Israelis) are getting beat up and killed worldwide when they have absolutely nothing to do with the conflict? They are not even Israeli citizens, and many of them have never even been there! Yet, just because they are Jewish, they become targets.

Muslims in America love to throw up the flag of racism whenever an American "mistreats" them because of 9/11. But those same people are doing the same thing to Jews by assaulting them for a conflict that they have no part in. Honestly, isn't that just a little hypocritical?



MarioKart:

Wii Code:

2278-0348-4368

1697-4391-7093-9431

XBOX LIVE: Comrade Tovya 2
PSN ID:

Comrade_Tovya

Around the Network

Hypocrisy has always been one of the "in things" of the human race....I wonder if things would be calmer and better if the human race didn´t have so many different types, religions, cultures, etc...generally, in sci-fi movies/books, an advanced alien race is almost always portrayed as either having no sub types (they all have the same beliefs, speak the same language, etc..) or even if they do have them, they´ve managed to unite them all...I don´t know, but since the human race has all these differences, what´s called 'true' peace will only be able to come when humans have put aside their differences and "unite" everything....that might mean prety much never, sadly.



Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
megaman79 said:
We need to stop reffering to countries or groups as "good" or "evil". Its not a movie, a cartoon. I think we could learn lessons if we bothered to educate ourselves about our own nations and its history. Its not always positive, look at Great Britain over the last 400 yrs, or Australia and our attempted extermination of indigenous aboriginals or America, even the USA is guilty of gross crimes.

The trouble is this stereotype of im good and your not just doesn't work. Israel is the aggressor in this conflict, despite the rocket shelling (how many israeli's have died vs what 900 pal), and it is quite obvious judging by the death toll. Ofcourse, Israel is not evil or just good but neither is Gaza.

Death tolls don't decide agressors.

Who is attacking first does.

Just because the agressor is somewhat incompetant at attacking doesn't mean they aren't the agressor.

When the US screwed up the Bay of Pigs invasion it was still the agressor even though it lost.

 

 

Is that supposed to excuse civilian deaths? Especially since most of the population isn't supporting Hamas?

What you are sasyinig would basicall y mean it would be fine for the Iraqis to nuke the US, no matter what the casualties, since we are the agressors there.

If most of the people don't support Hamas why is Hamas the legally elected government of Gaza?

Of which the UN Observers said was a fair unbiased election?

Unlike the US...

Hamas actually stated they would rocket israel.  Drive them into the sea all that.

Bush didn't say in his first term speaches "I will invade iraq."

The only reason there are so many civilian casualties is because Hamas willingly and delibritly uses civilians as human shields for PR tactics.

Lets say you have someone with a gun shooting at you and your family... and he has surrounded himsef with his family... who has done nothing to you.

What do you do?  Shoot back... knowing you are likely to take out some of his family on accident... or let him shoot at your family and you for the rest of your lives?

again , where are the kids from this?

again , what was the situation when fateh was there? again , what education do those people have?

again , I'm sorry I can't take u americans seriously when u talk about peace since all ur ways have failed and created more terrosim and suffering in the world, Iraq and abo graib says hi

ur guy -bush- is the definition of terrosim and u eleceted that guy TWICE , yet u don't see me judging u

and plz that stuipd video u keep posting means nothing , u don't live there , u don't know people from gaza so plz cut it,

and stop saying "they deserve it" , they are dead now, don't say anything about them if all u can say that they deserve it

 

 



 

 

Official numbers... At least there's more children than women dying, no?

Sarcasm btw.

 

 

Also where's the great American liberation force now? You know, the one that's supposed to be spreading FREEDOM to people who don't even know the meaning of it. Seems to me the citizens in Gaza need a lot more protection than did the Iraqi citizens....



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

what possible explanation do u have for this??




I believe those kids want too die , it's OBVIOUS >.>



Around the Network

white phosphorus, hmmmmm
when was the last that weapon used??
oh right , IRAQ



finally , this :
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=56318

u people r unreal , GET REAL!



NO NOT FIANLLY ,I still have some more time trying to make to get REAL so why NOT?
yeah , this woman obviously wanted her baby to DIE as a human shield , COMN SHE IS THE ONE TO BLAME



On yet another note:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828536.stm



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Israel Must defend itself. Problems must be confronted