Discussion: Terrorism, Israel, Hamas, etc

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Kasz216 said:

vlad321 said:

Kasz216 said:

megaman79 said:
We need to stop reffering to countries or groups as "good" or "evil". Its not a movie, a cartoon. I think we could learn lessons if we bothered to educate ourselves about our own nations and its history. Its not always positive, look at Great Britain over the last 400 yrs, or Australia and our attempted extermination of indigenous aboriginals or America, even the USA is guilty of gross crimes.

The trouble is this stereotype of im good and your not just doesn't work. Israel is the aggressor in this conflict, despite the rocket shelling (how many israeli's have died vs what 900 pal), and it is quite obvious judging by the death toll. Ofcourse, Israel is not evil or just good but neither is Gaza.

Death tolls don't decide agressors.

Who is attacking first does.

Just because the agressor is somewhat incompetant at attacking doesn't mean they aren't the agressor.

When the US screwed up the Bay of Pigs invasion it was still the agressor even though it lost.

 

 

Is that supposed to excuse civilian deaths? Especially since most of the population isn't supporting Hamas?

What you are sasyinig would basicall y mean it would be fine for the Iraqis to nuke the US, no matter what the casualties, since we are the agressors there.

If most of the people don't support Hamas why is Hamas the legally elected government of Gaza?

Of which the UN Observers said was a fair unbiased election?

Unlike the US...

Hamas actually stated they would rocket israel.  Drive them into the sea all that.

Bush didn't say in his first term speaches "I will invade iraq."

The only reason there are so many civilian casualties is because Hamas willingly and delibritly uses civilians as human shields for PR tactics.

Lets say you have someone with a gun shooting at you and your family... and he has surrounded himsef with his family... who has done nothing to you.

What do you do?  Shoot back... knowing you are likely to take out some of his family on accident... or let him shoot at your family and you for the rest of your lives?

again , where are the kids from this?

again , what was the situation when fateh was there? again , what education do those people have?

again , I'm sorry I can't take u americans seriously when u talk about peace since all ur ways have failed and created more terrosim and suffering in the world, Iraq and abo graib says hi

ur guy -bush- is the definition of terrosim and u eleceted that guy TWICE , yet u don't see me judging u

and plz that stuipd video u keep posting means nothing , u don't live there , u don't know people from gaza so plz cut it,

and stop saying "they deserve it" , they are dead now, don't say anything about them if all u can say that they deserve it