DMeisterJ said:
Good thing you're not an analyst. The preview had the game at ~80k, so that's what most were expecting, 73k is fine. |
hey i m not trying to take away any credit from WKC.. it has done very well.. but suddenly ppl start to have unreasaonble expectations with it.. like 500k in Jap only..
I was just trying to say it will do something like 350k - 370.. which in itself is very respectable sales..
Hyruken said:
No offence but how can you say something that happend 5 months ago effected what happened this week? That sounds rather dumb to me and pretty silly all round. In Japan as with the rest of the world the current 360 price has been that price for nearly half a year. Comes a time when you have to say "hey that is the 360s price". Rather then say "oh the 360 did well because it dropped its price 4 years ago" understand? WKC boosted the PS3 sales this week to make them on par with last years. I don't think anyone can argue that. One of the biggest openings for a PS3 game and it didn't boost sales? Do you realise how stupid that sounds? As for the 360 fan thing how mature of you! Can't win nor even present a valid argument so i must be from your nemesis side right? Well then lets look at it. These JRPG's that you mention that me and all the other xbots talk about, what ones would they be then? As for blaming the DS for the japanese market fall is just plain laughable. Lets look at some figures shall we? PS3 figures in Japan comparing the past 4 months to last years past 4 months. Sept 08 = 33k, Oct 08 = 60k, Nov 08 = 96k, Dec 08 = 149k. Total = 338k. Now lets look at the same months for 07 shall we? Sept 07 = 51k, Oct 07 = 55k, Nov 07 = 177k, Dec 07 = 205k. Total = 488k. Which means in the past 4 months compared to the same 4 months in 07 means the PS3 dropped 150k. That means in the last 4 months alone the PS3 dropped sales by over 35% on the same period last year. So that adds even more evidence to what i said while totally disproving everything you said. The gaming market in Japan is down and down on all fronts and will continue to go down. What evidence do you have to say it will go up? You think the games you list will make it go up in 09 in Japan? Well again look back over the past 4 months in Japan and you see a lot of high profile Japanese games released for the consoles but especially for the PS3 and the numbers were either flat or lower. The first data of 09 shows the trend to be the same but on other platforms i.e Wii to be a lot worse. So i will take you up on your prediction 09 will see an improvement in sales because i fail to see how anything will stop that tide especially for PS3 and Wii right now. If im right you must quit as a mod and never come back to the forum where as if your right i will do the same, deal? :) |
So you're saying that a price cut that happened months ago wouldn't effect the hardware sales now? I would agree that if it were a big game release, the effect would be fairly temporary and that it wouldn't have any effect on the hardware sales of the system months after the game's release. But you're really going to argue that the price cut doesn't have any effect anymore? So, what about America and Europe? The 360 seems to be doing much better in those territories than they were doing last year. Last year, the 360 had Halo 3 and still did worse hardware numbers than this year. Oh wait, it's probably one of those price cuts that happened months ago. I guess that's pretty dumb and silly.
By the way, I never said that White Knight didn't provide a boost. I was just pointing out how tons of people were commenting on the lack of a boost it provided for PS3 sales when it launched, and now say that it boosted sales just because the PS3 had a good week. Isn't it also possible that Gundam Musou 2 boosted PS3 sales? What about Gran Turismo 5 Prologue bundled with most systems, along with other bundles featuring Little Big Planet or other big games?
If we're going to have a whole separate argument over whose argument is better, I think it's an automatic win for me. by the way, you were the one said "Xbots." I said "360 fans." Looks like you hate your fellow console owners if that's the way you talk about them. Shame, I actually like my 360. As for the JRPGs that 360 fans brag about, there's Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata (although it got a late port on the PS3), Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4, and Final Fantasy XI (also Final Fantasy 13, but that's also on the PS3). I probably could have just copy and pasted a more complete list from some rant, but mine seems good enough.
Just so you know, the PS3 is ONE system. If you want me to crunch some statistics, I could do that:
-In Japan in 2008, there were 4 million fewer units of hardware sold than in 2007. If you were to look at the DS, you would immediately notice that it sold 3.2 million less than last year.
-The Wii saw an approximately 700k drop in hardware sales from 2007 to 2008.
-The PS3 saw a 200k drop from 2007 to 2008.
-The PS2 saw a drop of about 350k (approximate) from 2007 to 2008.
If you look, all of these drops already add up to a decrease of 4.45 million units from the previous year, which the PSP and 360 didn't have much of a chance of negating. A lot of the PS3 and Wii drops are due to the fact that back in 2007, the two systems actually had boosted hardware sales at the beginning of the year because it wasn't too long after their launches. For example, back in February of 2007, the PS3 was still selling 20k or so a week. In February of 2008, the PS3 was selling about 10k a week. It's not a huge factor, but 200k isn't a huge difference.
The biggest difference I saw in your data was that the PS3 sold far less in November (it sold 216k that month, not 177k like your data said) and that's because in 2007, the PS3 had Dynasty Warriors 5 which was bundled, Pro Evo, and perhaps even a price cut (I'm not sure on that though). The PS3's November in 2008 saw the release of Pro Evo, and ummm...Little Big Planet?
You shouldn't make blanket statements like "disproving everything you said." You didn't disprove huge amounts of data and opinions with one single statistic. What evidence do you have to say the market will continue to go down? It's funny, because you have none and yet are insistent it will. The DS and PSP had new models released, allowing for higher sales (DSi and PSP-3000, respectively). Dragon Quest 9 will be coming out for the DS, and it will easily end up as the biggest game of 2009 (or 2008, or 2007...I think you get the point). Gran Turismo 5 will be by far the biggest game on the PS3 until Final Fantasy 13, and will boost the sales by a large amount (not to mention Final Fantasy 13 will be pretty damn big as well 
). And Monster Hunter 3 will be humongous on the Wii.
Oh, by the way, it's against the rules to make bets like those. Especially stupid ones.
Oh snap shit is going down in this thread... time for me to leave
MontanaHatchet said:
So you're saying that a price cut that happened months ago wouldn't effect the hardware sales now? I would agree that if it were a big game release, the effect would be fairly temporary and that it wouldn't have any effect on the hardware sales of the system months after the game's release. But you're really going to argue that the price cut doesn't have any effect anymore? So, what about America and Europe? The 360 seems to be doing much better in those territories than they were doing last year. Last year, the 360 had Halo 3 and still did worse hardware numbers than this year. Oh wait, it's probably one of those price cuts that happened months ago. I guess that's pretty dumb and silly. By the way, I never said that White Knight didn't provide a boost. I was just pointing out how tons of people were commenting on the lack of a boost it provided for PS3 sales when it launched, and now say that it boosted sales just because the PS3 had a good week. Isn't it also possible that Gundam Musou 2 boosted PS3 sales? What about Gran Turismo 5 Prologue bundled with most systems, along with other bundles featuring Little Big Planet or other big games? If we're going to have a whole separate argument over whose argument is better, I think it's an automatic win for me. by the way, you were the one said "Xbots." I said "360 fans." Looks like you hate your fellow console owners if that's the way you talk about them. Shame, I actually like my 360. As for the JRPGs that 360 fans brag about, there's Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata (although it got a late port on the PS3), Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4, and Final Fantasy XI (also Final Fantasy 13, but that's also on the PS3). I probably could have just copy and pasted a more complete list from some rant, but mine seems good enough. Just so you know, the PS3 is ONE system. If you want me to crunch some statistics, I could do that: -In Japan in 2008, there were 4 million fewer units of hardware sold than in 2007. If you were to look at the DS, you would immediately notice that it sold 3.2 million less than last year. -The Wii saw an approximately 700k drop in hardware sales from 2007 to 2008. -The PS3 saw a 200k drop from 2007 to 2008. -The PS2 saw a drop of about 350k (approximate) from 2007 to 2008. If you look, all of these drops already add up to a decrease of 4.45 million units from the previous year, which the PSP and 360 didn't have much of a chance of negating. A lot of the PS3 and Wii drops are due to the fact that back in 2007, the two systems actually had boosted hardware sales at the beginning of the year because it wasn't too long after their launches. For example, back in February of 2007, the PS3 was still selling 20k or so a week. In February of 2008, the PS3 was selling about 10k a week. It's not a huge factor, but 200k isn't a huge difference. The biggest difference I saw in your data was that the PS3 sold far less in November (it sold 216k that month, not 177k like your data said) and that's because in 2007, the PS3 had Dynasty Warriors 5 which was bundled, Pro Evo, and perhaps even a price cut (I'm not sure on that though). The PS3's November in 2008 saw the release of Pro Evo, and ummm...Little Big Planet? You shouldn't make blanket statements like "disproving everything you said." You didn't disprove huge amounts of data and opinions with one single statistic. What evidence do you have to say the market will continue to go down? It's funny, because you have none and yet are insistent it will. The DS and PSP had new models released, allowing for higher sales (DSi and PSP-3000, respectively). Dragon Quest 9 will be coming out for the DS, and it will easily end up as the biggest game of 2009 (or 2008, or 2007...I think you get the point). Gran Turismo 5 will be by far the biggest game on the PS3 until Final Fantasy 13, and will boost the sales by a large amount (not to mention Final Fantasy 13 will be pretty damn big as well Oh, by the way, it's against the rules to make bets like those. Especially stupid ones.
|
Well were call it a sportsmans bet then wont we. I bet that by the 1st of 2010 looking back over 2009 in japan we will see in total across Wii,360,PS3,DS and PSP a decrease in hardware sales compared to the year before (2008). You guys have nothing to worry about do you as your confident that what you say is right. The thing is your whole argument rests about one very important point and that is games such as Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy both come to Japan in 2009. Personally i don't think they will.
And the evidence i have is month over year sales = down, companies going through financial nightmare, people living in a recession and so on. I bet next week and the week after that the pattern which has been the same for months continues.
So here it is, i bet with you and CGI that in 2009 The Wii,DS,360,PS3 and PSP will not sell over 11.9m units combined. I will even put it in my sig and update how well your prediction is doing. Then at the end of the year i will re-bump the thread to show if i was the "embarassment" CGI says and will bow down to your greatness. If however i'm right i will bump it as well as update a news post on Gamespot showing you to be wrong. Just a friendly bet isn't it, you sound so confident what have you got to lose? :)
Just to give you the 1st week of data though
week ending 5th jan 2008 japan hardware total = 804k
week ending 3rd jan 2009 japan hardware total = 651k
meaning already your prediction is 153k behind
I thought we were talking about software, not hardware.
| outlawauron said: I thought we were talking about software, not hardware. |
Nope not once did i mention anything about software sales in what i said. I clearly said "The hardware sales in Japan are down indicating that pattern is likely to continue". Of which i was called out on by CGI and Montana. And that is what is funny. Already 1 week in and they are nearly a quarter of a million units down. Next week sales need to be at least 467k units to just stay up with my prediction. Seeing as it barely made half of that in its busiest sales week of the year i think it's safe to assume those guys will continue to be wrong then 
Slightly of topic but are there any interesting releases for January in Japan for PS3/X360 platforms ? Or we have nothing big till February when RE5, SFIV, Yakuza and other start hitting ?
PROUD MEMBER OF THE PSP RPG FAN CLUB
| CGI-Quality said: @ Hyruken You got called out for your inaccuracies, not because of anything else. Then you made a BOLD prediction about FFXIII & GT5 in Japan not releasing in 2009, EITHER of them! Like I said, watch how the year goes then bump the thread if you're proven right. Otherwise, why make assumptions with which you haven't the proof to keep them going, just give it up. |
Are you even for real?! Inaccuracies? What Inaccuracies? I showed you the data showing what i said is true that the japanese market is in decline hardware sales wise. In the past 4 months alone each unit has seen a decrease. The official figures are that in 2008 the gaming market dropped by 15% on 2007 sales, that is fact CGI. You then blamed that drop on the DS when i showed you figures for the PS3 showing in just the past 4 months its sales have dropped 35% on the same period last year. That is a high number. And the reason i think games like GT5 WONT be released is because only people such as yourself assume it will be. When if you actually read the creators remarks he says "Nothing is planned for 2009", to me that means GT5 wont be coming in 2009. That is my prediction. Yours is that it will, that is a prediction that is not FACT. So don't give off the attitude that you know best and what you say is right because right now what you have said is compleatly false. The Inaccuracies ou talk about are in your argument not mine. I said that 2009 will see the trend of 2008 continue in Japan and that is sales of hardware falling. Right now your prediction is being handed to you on a plate, right now your being proven WRONG. So come back when your actually right about something okay because trying to talk like your right when factually your wrong is hillarious.
| CGI-Quality said: @ Hryuken Ok, so NOW you say just GT5 won't release this year when before you said BOTH FFXIII and GT5 won't release this, ok changed your story. Second, show me where I mentioned the DS in my argument, I never brought up the DS. And what makes you so RIGHT that hardware will continue to FAIL when some of the biggest releases in Japan: DQ 10, FFXIII are releasing this year? Sure, what you speak of from 2007-2008 may have some truth to it but it does NOT determine the future as Montana has already pointed out. You're now just pulling at straws bro. And I told you, if 2009 goes your way, I will glady take a call out from you come Jan 1, 2010. Other than that, get off it man. Obviously I can't change your mind as you can't change mine so leave it that. Let the year take shape, neither one of us knows for sure how ALL of 2009 will turn out while we're only on the 9th day of the year. |
I have not changed my story at all, it is the same as before, go read it. I said games "LIKE GT5 and FFXIII", meaning your whole point of view surrounds games coming out for the consoles/handhelds that are of that high level. If they suffer a delay or simply don't come due to actually having no set release date will mean sales would expect to be lower right? If sales in 2008 were DOWN and they had games like MGS4,SSMB,Mario Kart,Dragon Quest,Tales of Symphonia,Winning Eleven 09,GTA4,Valkerie Chronicles, Way of the samurai 3,Soul Caliber 4,Bladestorm,LBP,Tales of Versperia,TLR,Infinate Undiscovery,Devil May Cry 4,Ninja Gaiden 2,Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2,Naruto,Dragonball Z Burst Limit,Animal Crossings,Pocket Monsters,Dragon Quest 5, Dissidia Final Fantasy,Monster Hunter Freedom 2nd,Phantasy Star P,Gundam vs Gundam etc.. etc.. then what will sales be like without them? If you think that GT5 and FFXIII are the two games that will drive sales across the board then you have to be either pretty dumb or have no clue to how Japanese people currently view the gaming market. The PS3 has become cheaper and had more higher profile games for it in the past 12 months then the previous 12 months before that but yet sales were down. Does that not tell you something about that console in Japan OVERALL?
Hyruken said:
I have not changed my story at all, it is the same as before, go read it. I said games "LIKE GT5 and FFXIII", meaning your whole point of view surrounds games coming out for the consoles/handhelds that are of that high level. If they suffer a delay or simply don't come due to actually having no set release date will mean sales would expect to be lower right? If sales in 2008 were DOWN and they had games like MGS4,SSMB,Mario Kart,Dragon Quest,Tales of Symphonia,Winning Eleven 09,GTA4,Valkerie Chronicles, Way of the samurai 3,Soul Caliber 4,Bladestorm,LBP,Tales of Versperia,TLR,Infinate Undiscovery,Devil May Cry 4,Ninja Gaiden 2,Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2,Naruto,Dragonball Z Burst Limit,Animal Crossings,Pocket Monsters,Dragon Quest 5, Dissidia Final Fantasy,Monster Hunter Freedom 2nd,Phantasy Star P,Gundam vs Gundam etc.. etc.. then what will sales be like without them? If you think that GT5 and FFXIII are the two games that will drive sales across the board then you have to be either pretty dumb or have no clue to how Japanese people currently view the gaming market. The PS3 has become cheaper and had more higher profile games for it in the past 12 months then the previous 12 months before that but yet sales were down. Does that not tell you something about that console in Japan OVERALL? |
This part isn't true. The PS3 had a price drop in November of 2007. And other than MGS 4, things have been pretty equal.
About Us |
Terms of Use |
Privacy Policy |
Advertise |
Staff |
Contact
Display As Desktop
Display As Mobile
© 2006-2026 VGChartz Ltd. All rights reserved.
