Famitsu Sales: 12/29 - 01/04

[Hyruken]

MontanaHatchet said:

Hyruken said:

MontanaHatchet said:

Hyruken said:

DMeisterJ said:

Hyruken said:
Awesome numbers all round for Japan really. However it keeps with the trend that gaming in Japan is going down.

PS3 sold 1k more last year and if it werent for WKC you have to assume those numbers would of been bad. The question then becomes what will the numbers be in the next few weeks when there is nothing?

360 sales went up by nearly 100% on last year (11k last year). Was there even anything out for it?

Wii dropped from 226k to 141k. Nearly a 100k drop.

All in all i think were about to see Japan crash and burn in the following weeks in terms of its gaming hardware sales.

So they are nice numbers but if you add up the three consoles in total you get 228k. The Wii sold pretty much that on its own this week last year. Not good signs at all.

Oh, so 360 is up 100 percent thanks to nothing, while PS3 is only up because of the second week of WKC sales?

Failure.

360 is up because of all the JRPGs, and the price cut in JP.  Let's get that straight.

 

 But can we still really talk about something that happened almost 5 months ago as a reason for a 360 boost? The price cut was in september 08, that is looong ago, would that really cause a sales spike now? in japan? I disagree. As for these JRPGs what new ones are those? The only JRPG coming for 360 which possible will cause a spike is SO4.

With the PS3 it had WKC to help it push sales, not quite sure how that statment can be seen as "failure" exactly? Without that game not sure you can assume the PS3 sales would be that high?

So i stand by what i said 360 is up because of nothing simply because in the general scheme of things 11k then 19k sales are nothing. And PS3 is up because of WKC which is doing very well.

To further justify what i was saying figures show Japanese gaming sales fell by over 15% in 2008, 2009 looks set to drop further. So as i also said it will be interesting to see what happens to the sales figures across the board in the next few weeks. Will they stay the same as last year or fall further down? Personally as i said it will be down and be down a lot.

Your first point was so dumb that it actually hurt me. I don't want to be a dick, but it's true. So what if the price cut was 5 months ago? Did Microsoft decide that they were going to reverse the price drop towards the biggest time of the year? The price cut has just as much effect as it had when it first went into effect, and the 360 has been ridiculously cheap in Japan for a while anyways. By the way, he was talking about JRPGs already on the platform. The ones 360 fans love to brag about so much. The games that 360 fans play not because they actually enjoy them, but just because they have the most of them and they want to spite the other console owners. Last year, the 360 had pretty much nothing outside of Halo 3 (which is incredibly western focused) and still sold 50% of what it sold this year. The PS3 is smashing it with one RPG, and would be smashing it even without it. And you're really proud of this one miniature year over year improvement? The Xbox had an excuse for not being big in Japan, as almost none of the games released appealed to the Japanese market (Dead or Alive was the biggest game on the Xbox, sadly). What's the 360's excuse with its critically acclaimed RPGs? Nevermind.

And how did WKC push sales? First you say that the PS3 is down year over year and then you claim that White Knight is boosting the system's sales? I'm sure I could find, in just minutes, a quote from you or other 360 fans claiming that White Knight had no effect on the PS3's hardware sales. More hypocrisy, my favorite. By the way, you're right. The 360 is up by almost nothing, but it's certainly not because of nothing. This goes along with my first paragraph.

The main reason this year in Japan was smaller than the last one is because the DS had sold such an insane amount of units that the userbase became completely saturated and hardware sales plummeted (now boosted by the DSi). The PSP, despite selling big amounts, couldn't pick up the slack. As for the Wii, it's down because last year it had Wii Fit, which happened to be so big that it produced lines around the block. It also had Super Mario Galaxy, which was incredibly well reviewed and featured the very icon of gaming. With Nintendo only realing Wii Music and Animal Crossing, is it any wonder why the Wii is down? The market is mostly down because of the recession anyways, but next year will definitely see an improvement thanks to the huge games being released (as outlined by Outlawauron).

 

 

 

 No offence but how can you say something that happend 5 months ago effected what happened this week? That sounds rather dumb to me and pretty silly all round. In Japan as with the rest of the world the current 360 price has been that price for nearly half a year. Comes a time when you have to say "hey that is the 360s price". Rather then say "oh the 360 did well because it dropped its price 4 years ago" understand?

WKC boosted the PS3 sales this week to make them on par with last years. I don't think anyone can argue that. One of the biggest openings for a PS3 game and it didn't boost sales? Do you realise how stupid that sounds?

As for the 360 fan thing how mature of you! Can't win nor even present a valid argument so i must be from your nemesis side right? Well then lets look at it. These JRPG's that you mention that me and all the other xbots talk about, what ones would they be then?

As for blaming the DS for the japanese market fall is just plain laughable. Lets look at some figures shall we?

PS3 figures in Japan comparing the past 4 months to last years past 4 months. Sept 08 = 33k, Oct 08 = 60k, Nov 08 = 96k, Dec 08 = 149k. Total = 338k.  Now lets look at the same months for 07 shall we? Sept 07 = 51k, Oct 07 = 55k, Nov 07 = 177k, Dec 07 = 205k. Total = 488k.

Which means in the past 4 months compared to the same 4 months in 07 means the PS3 dropped 150k. That means in the last 4 months alone the PS3 dropped sales by over 35% on the same period last year. So that adds even more evidence to what i said while totally disproving everything you said. The gaming market in Japan is down and down on all fronts and will continue to go down. What evidence do you have to say it will go up? You think the games you list will make it go up in 09 in Japan? Well again look back over the past 4 months in Japan and you see a lot of high profile Japanese games released for the consoles but especially for the PS3 and the numbers were either flat or lower. The first data of 09 shows the trend to be the same but on other platforms i.e Wii to be a lot worse. So i will take you up on your prediction 09 will see an improvement in sales because i fail to see how anything will stop that tide especially for PS3 and Wii right now. If im right you must quit as a mod and never come back to the forum where as if your right i will do the same, deal? :)

So you're saying that a price cut that happened months ago wouldn't effect the hardware sales now? I would agree that if it were a big game release, the effect would be fairly temporary and that it wouldn't have any effect on the hardware sales of the system months after the game's release. But you're really going to argue that the price cut doesn't have any effect anymore? So, what about America and Europe? The 360 seems to be doing much better in those territories than they were doing last year. Last year, the 360 had Halo 3 and still did worse hardware numbers than this year. Oh wait, it's probably one of those price cuts that happened months ago. I guess that's pretty dumb and silly.

By the way, I never said that White Knight didn't provide a boost. I was just pointing out how tons of people were commenting on the lack of a boost it provided for PS3 sales when it launched, and now say that it boosted sales just because the PS3 had a good week. Isn't it also possible that Gundam Musou 2 boosted PS3 sales? What about Gran Turismo 5 Prologue bundled with most systems, along with other bundles featuring Little Big Planet or other big games?

If we're going to have a whole separate argument over whose argument is better, I think it's an automatic win for me. by the way, you were the one said "Xbots." I said "360 fans." Looks like you hate your fellow console owners if that's the way you talk about them. Shame, I actually like my 360. As for the JRPGs that 360 fans brag about, there's Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata (although it got a late port on the PS3), Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4, and Final Fantasy XI (also Final Fantasy 13, but that's also on the PS3). I probably could have just copy and pasted a more complete list from some rant, but mine seems good enough.

Just so you know, the PS3 is ONE system. If you want me to crunch some statistics, I could do that:

-In Japan in 2008, there were 4 million fewer units of hardware sold than in 2007. If you were to look at the DS, you would immediately notice that it sold 3.2 million less than last year.

-The Wii saw an approximately 700k drop in hardware sales from 2007 to 2008.

-The PS3 saw a 200k drop from 2007 to 2008.

-The PS2 saw a drop of about 350k (approximate) from 2007 to 2008.

If you look, all of these drops already add up to a decrease of 4.45 million units from the previous year, which the PSP and 360 didn't have much of a chance of negating. A lot of the PS3 and Wii drops are due to the fact that back in 2007, the two systems actually had boosted hardware sales at the beginning of the year because it wasn't too long after their launches. For example, back in February of 2007, the PS3 was still selling 20k or so a week. In February of 2008, the PS3 was selling about 10k a week. It's not a huge factor, but 200k isn't a huge difference.

The biggest difference I saw in your data was that the PS3 sold far less in November (it sold 216k that month, not 177k like your data said) and that's because in 2007, the PS3 had Dynasty Warriors 5 which was bundled, Pro Evo, and perhaps even a price cut (I'm not sure on that though). The PS3's November in 2008 saw the release of Pro Evo, and ummm...Little Big Planet?

You shouldn't make blanket statements like "disproving everything you said." You didn't disprove huge amounts of data and opinions with one single statistic. What evidence do you have to say the market will continue to go down? It's funny, because you have none and yet are insistent it will. The DS and PSP had new models released, allowing for higher sales (DSi and PSP-3000, respectively). Dragon Quest 9 will be coming out for the DS, and it will easily end up as the biggest game of 2009 (or 2008, or 2007...I think you get the point). Gran Turismo 5 will be by far the biggest game on the PS3 until Final Fantasy 13, and will boost the sales by a large amount (not to mention Final Fantasy 13 will be pretty damn big as well ). And Monster Hunter 3 will be humongous on the Wii.

Oh, by the way, it's against the rules to make bets like those. Especially stupid ones.

 

 

Well were call it a sportsmans bet then wont we. I bet that by the 1st of 2010 looking back over 2009 in japan we will see in total across Wii,360,PS3,DS and PSP a decrease in hardware sales compared to the year before (2008). You guys have nothing to worry about do you as your confident that what you say is right. The thing is your whole argument rests about one very important point and that is games such as Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy both come to Japan in 2009. Personally i don't think they will.

And the evidence i have is month over year sales = down, companies going through financial nightmare, people living in a recession and so on. I bet next week and the week after that the pattern which has been the same for months continues.

So here it is, i bet with you and CGI that in 2009 The Wii,DS,360,PS3 and PSP will not sell over 11.9m units combined. I will even put it in my sig and update how well your prediction is doing. Then at the end of the year i will re-bump the thread to show if i was the "embarassment" CGI says and will bow down to your greatness. If however i'm right i will bump it as well as update a news post on Gamespot showing you to be wrong. Just a friendly bet isn't it, you sound so confident what have you got to lose? :)

 Just to give you the 1st week of data though

week ending 5th jan 2008 japan hardware total = 804k

week ending 3rd jan 2009 japan hardware total = 651k

meaning already your prediction is 153k behind