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To add some fuel to the fire:

UK PC Gaming Market Dead? It Shrunk by 31 Percent In A Year

Figures published by the Entertainment Retailers Association (ERA) on the 6th of January showed that last year, its members have sold more DVDs, games and music than ever before. Time for Champagne? Not yet. There's a massive black spot on the chart provided.

PC games in UK have been decreasing by 31 percent in 2008, from 12.2 million to 8.5 million. By contrast, sales of console games has grown from 58.2 million to 74.3 million. To put it simply, the console games market went from being 4.7x bigger than PC games to nearly 9x! Eight in every nine games sold in this country are console games.

While the figures do not include downloads from online services like Steam and direct sales from publishers, it does paint a very bleak picture for PC gaming, especially against the backdrop of the impressive video game growth. GFK also released data which shows that five PC games sold in 2008 accounted for 76 percent of all PC games sold in the UK.

At this rate, UK PC gaming will account for less than one million units by 2014. There are a number of clues as to why this is happening. Research group Nielsen company published the top 10 PC Game titles in the US. None of them were produced in 2008 with three of them (yes three), nine years old, even older than Windows XP!

Although some have questioned Nielsen's methodology, it is clear that there's something wrong going on. There's at least two other reasons why PC gaming is down. Have a list at the top 100 Games being offered on Piratebay.org, arguably the most popular torrent search engine. Most of them are for the PC platform with more than 2600 seeders for a single game.. Unsurprisingly, piracy is having a huge impact on sale figures.

Last but not least, while a Playstation 3 console or an Xbox 360 will last you well over 1000 days at a cost of 30p per day, PC gamers have to invest significantly more to get the same level of playing nirvana. A great gaming machine cost around £500 and need more frequent refreshes.


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Another LBP discussion thread, helmed by infamy.

He'll never get it.

Sad, really.



That thread's been password protected now ... but I guess we know the numbers are legit anyway.

Admin replying in their chatbox (reads bottom up):

konangrit « Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:25 pm » lol ... oh well
FatBob « Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:25 pm » i'm at least 400 posts more trustworthy than you 2 and i dont have it; if its major probably just the admin
Phleg « Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:23 pm » :( @ not being able to see a reply to my answer. who gets the pass? XD
konangrit « Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:22 pm » Was hoping to get a reply to my post in that thread, but can't access it now :(
FatBob « Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:16 pm » think something happened with salesona.......
kloxpark « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:59 pm » hey what's the password for Secretsona? ;___;
FatBob « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:52 pm » who's allowed the ss password
RJ « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:50 pm » worst kind of crazy
RJ « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:49 pm » sales whores eh!
JDFORGE « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:49 pm » It's not that they weren't happy with the sales, just that they got public! :lol:
Cloud « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:48 pm » Someone wasn't happy with Banjo's 360 sales
RJ « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:47 pm » YOu're going down fatbob!
FatBob « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:47 pm » reported???
Cloud « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:42 pm » yeah, vince forgot to put the pennies in the meter lol
JDFORGE « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:42 pm » But everything is cool now.
JDFORGE « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:42 pm » Someone reported us...
FatBob « Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:40 pm » wtf i couldnt get on said billing error (only sona)



So what's the point of these numbers? Mario Kart Wii = Domination?

Wii Fits numbers please.



Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:

Fallout 3 360 - 298k

Fallout 3 PS3 - 180k

Fallout 3 PC - 60k

I dare not make comment...

I dare not make comment...

I dare not make comment...

Edit: Couldn't resist.

Im just going to be gleeful and say all kinds of crap, don't pay attention.

"PC gaming better than console gaming, always" STRIKE!

"PC games sell better than console games" Strike!

I'll leave it at that, before I get too carried away with things. Really this can't be right, a mighty PC gaming icon selling far better on consoles? Hmmm!

Edit 2: Still can't resist:

Thats 2/3 of the tripple B's of PC WRPGs. Bethesda, Bioware, Blizzard... Its close to a trifecta, I can smell it.

 

Let's face it, if it was as good as Fallout games are (meaning not simplified for the consoles) then maybe it would have found more love among the PC gamers, just maybe... It's happening a lot recently, look at UT3, if there was no PS3 version, thus making the PC version absolute and utter steaming pile of CRAP then it may have sold a lot better....

Basically, don't make a console port and fuck up the game and it sells like hotcakes, look at any BLizzard/VALVe game (L4D has to be the lowest scoring game they have and it's also on 360, pattern?), look at Witcher, look at Dawn of War.

Edit: Of course, the actual game has to be actually good to begin with.

Edit 2: Also how is it NOT better? Let's leave the fact that it runs best and looks best on the PC. Bethesda just realesde GECK, and you know what that means? More or less weekly free "DLC" (as I know you are aware, but a lot of others arent, in PC gaming this DLC is usually called mods) for the PC gamers.

Simplified huh? Like Blizzard did with Warcraft 3 and Diablo 1/2...

But in all seriousness these are terrible sales! We finally get that data and suddenly its the fault of the game? I mean anything except perhaps considering the reality of the situation.

Btw when you say runs the best, are you considering that many people bought gaming PCs in 2005/2006 and like good sensible people haven't upgraded significantly?

 

Warcraft 3 was simplification? Maybe we aren't playing the same games here at all, somehow adding heroes into the mix and variable damage ranges definitely made it simpler.....

Also, when is it NOT the game's fault it sells worse, and again, FO3 probably sold more over Steam than it did in retail. I don't know one person who can show me a CD for FO3 that doesn't have a 360 sign on it....

Considering the PC version has the least glitches and that it's scalable, yes it does run best.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:

Fallout 3 360 - 298k

Fallout 3 PS3 - 180k

Fallout 3 PC - 60k

I dare not make comment...

I dare not make comment...

I dare not make comment...

Edit: Couldn't resist.

Im just going to be gleeful and say all kinds of crap, don't pay attention.

"PC gaming better than console gaming, always" STRIKE!

"PC games sell better than console games" Strike!

I'll leave it at that, before I get too carried away with things. Really this can't be right, a mighty PC gaming icon selling far better on consoles? Hmmm!

Edit 2: Still can't resist:

Thats 2/3 of the tripple B's of PC WRPGs. Bethesda, Bioware, Blizzard... Its close to a trifecta, I can smell it.

 

Let's face it, if it was as good as Fallout games are (meaning not simplified for the consoles) then maybe it would have found more love among the PC gamers, just maybe... It's happening a lot recently, look at UT3, if there was no PS3 version, thus making the PC version absolute and utter steaming pile of CRAP then it may have sold a lot better....

Basically, don't make a console port and fuck up the game and it sells like hotcakes, look at any BLizzard/VALVe game (L4D has to be the lowest scoring game they have and it's also on 360, pattern?), look at Witcher, look at Dawn of War.

Edit: Of course, the actual game has to be actually good to begin with.

Edit 2: Also how is it NOT better? Let's leave the fact that it runs best and looks best on the PC. Bethesda just realesde GECK, and you know what that means? More or less weekly free "DLC" (as I know you are aware, but a lot of others arent, in PC gaming this DLC is usually called mods) for the PC gamers.

Simplified huh? Like Blizzard did with Warcraft 3 and Diablo 1/2...

But in all seriousness these are terrible sales! We finally get that data and suddenly its the fault of the game? I mean anything except perhaps considering the reality of the situation.

Btw when you say runs the best, are you considering that many people bought gaming PCs in 2005/2006 and like good sensible people haven't upgraded significantly?

 

Warcraft 3 was simplification? Maybe we aren't playing the same games here at all, somehow adding heroes into the mix and variable damage ranges definitely made it simpler.....

Also, when is it NOT the game's fault it sells worse, and again, FO3 probably sold more over Steam than it did in retail. I don't know one person who can show me a CD for FO3 that doesn't have a 360 sign on it....

Considering the PC version has the least glitches and that it's scalable, yes it does run best.

The whole game was simpler compared to its predacessor, and its better for it.

"
PC games in UK have been decreasing by 31 percent in 2008, from 12.2 million to 8.5 million. By contrast, sales of console games has grown from 58.2 million to 74.3 million. To put it simply, the console games market went from being 4.7x bigger than PC games to nearly 9x! Eight in every nine games sold in this country are console games."

Theres your answer.


While the figures do not include downloads from online services like Steam and direct sales from publishers, it does paint a very bleak picture for PC gaming, especially against the backdrop of the impressive video game growth. GFK also released data which shows that five PC games sold in 2008 accounted for 76 percent of all PC games sold in the UK.


At this rate, UK PC gaming will account for less than one million units by 2014. There are a number of clues as to why this is happening. Research group Nielsen company published the top 10 PC Game titles in the US. None of them were produced in 2008 with three of them (yes three), nine years old, even older than Windows XP!"

So you cannot see a problem with this?

 

 



Tease.

Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:
vlad321 said:
Squilliam said:

Fallout 3 360 - 298k

Fallout 3 PS3 - 180k

Fallout 3 PC - 60k

I dare not make comment...

I dare not make comment...

I dare not make comment...

Edit: Couldn't resist.

Im just going to be gleeful and say all kinds of crap, don't pay attention.

"PC gaming better than console gaming, always" STRIKE!

"PC games sell better than console games" Strike!

I'll leave it at that, before I get too carried away with things. Really this can't be right, a mighty PC gaming icon selling far better on consoles? Hmmm!

Edit 2: Still can't resist:

Thats 2/3 of the tripple B's of PC WRPGs. Bethesda, Bioware, Blizzard... Its close to a trifecta, I can smell it.

 

Let's face it, if it was as good as Fallout games are (meaning not simplified for the consoles) then maybe it would have found more love among the PC gamers, just maybe... It's happening a lot recently, look at UT3, if there was no PS3 version, thus making the PC version absolute and utter steaming pile of CRAP then it may have sold a lot better....

Basically, don't make a console port and fuck up the game and it sells like hotcakes, look at any BLizzard/VALVe game (L4D has to be the lowest scoring game they have and it's also on 360, pattern?), look at Witcher, look at Dawn of War.

Edit: Of course, the actual game has to be actually good to begin with.

Edit 2: Also how is it NOT better? Let's leave the fact that it runs best and looks best on the PC. Bethesda just realesde GECK, and you know what that means? More or less weekly free "DLC" (as I know you are aware, but a lot of others arent, in PC gaming this DLC is usually called mods) for the PC gamers.

Simplified huh? Like Blizzard did with Warcraft 3 and Diablo 1/2...

But in all seriousness these are terrible sales! We finally get that data and suddenly its the fault of the game? I mean anything except perhaps considering the reality of the situation.

Btw when you say runs the best, are you considering that many people bought gaming PCs in 2005/2006 and like good sensible people haven't upgraded significantly?

 

Warcraft 3 was simplification? Maybe we aren't playing the same games here at all, somehow adding heroes into the mix and variable damage ranges definitely made it simpler.....

Also, when is it NOT the game's fault it sells worse, and again, FO3 probably sold more over Steam than it did in retail. I don't know one person who can show me a CD for FO3 that doesn't have a 360 sign on it....

Considering the PC version has the least glitches and that it's scalable, yes it does run best.

The whole game was simpler compared to its predacessor, and its better for it.

"
PC games in UK have been decreasing by 31 percent in 2008, from 12.2 million to 8.5 million. By contrast, sales of console games has grown from 58.2 million to 74.3 million. To put it simply, the console games market went from being 4.7x bigger than PC games to nearly 9x! Eight in every nine games sold in this country are console games."

Theres your answer.


While the figures do not include downloads from online services like Steam and direct sales from publishers, it does paint a very bleak picture for PC gaming, especially against the backdrop of the impressive video game growth. GFK also released data which shows that five PC games sold in 2008 accounted for 76 percent of all PC games sold in the UK.


At this rate, UK PC gaming will account for less than one million units by 2014. There are a number of clues as to why this is happening. Research group Nielsen company published the top 10 PC Game titles in the US. None of them were produced in 2008 with three of them (yes three), nine years old, even older than Windows XP!"

So you cannot see a problem with this?

 

 

 

You jsut showed that games made for the PC are just starting to suck more and more.... Also FO2 >>>> FO3. I mean... it's not even a contest, I mean we're talking Ali vs Liston game 2 here.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

I checked the top10 Nielsen list... Just putting it up here.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/156259/nielsens_top_10_pc_games_and_consoles_of_2008.html

1. World of Warcraft - 2004

2. Call of Duty 4 - 2007

3. Halo 1 - 2001

4. The sims - 2000

5. The sims 2 - 2004

6. Runescape - 2001

7. Diablo II - 2000

8. Team Fortress 2 - 2007

9. Counter Strike - 2000

10. Counter Strike: Source - 2004

 

One think though Squilliam. PC is likely to see an upturn next year with SC2 and Diablo 3.

It is a bit horryfying that a flash game is in the top 10 most played games though...

 

 

 



http://www.vgchartz.com/games/userreviewdisp.php?id=261

That is VGChartz LONGEST review. And it's NOT Cute Kitten DS

@ Vlad, so you just ignored all the data provided and repeated that the game sucked? Wow, go you. If it sucked that bad, it wouldn't have sold so well on the other systems... Even the PS3 version was buggy and it outsold the PC at retail by 3:1.



Tease.

Squilliam said:
@ Vlad, so you just ignored all the data provided and repeated that the game sucked? Wow, go you. If it sucked that bad, it wouldn't have sold so well on the other systems... Even the PS3 version was buggy and it outsold the PC at retail by 3:1.

 

Console game standards are far lower than PC game standards. Otherwise we wouldn't be seeing games like Diablo II from 2000 making an appearence. If good games were coming out they'd sell. Obviously there are games good enough to still sell even after 8 years. Your data just proved that point, the quality of games has been decreasing sharply as more and more are "consolified." UT2004 is still the best multiplayer-shooter, HL2 still the best single-player, SC and WC3 the best strategy games, and Diablo II, NWN, BG2, KOTOR, and FO2 the best RPGs. Kinda sad that they haven't been toppe yet, huh?



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835