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Actually it does matter even if the PS3 AI is good enough in Resistance and NGS or whatever game. One of the main promises of this generation is better and better AI.

I expect some games to push this, also I am doubtful of what the Ubisoft guy said, if you read the article it doesn't have that part in quotations, he actually says himself (the writer) that the Ubisoft guy 'basically' said that the PS3 doesn't have good enough AI...

Eitherway let the games speak for themselves, if this statement is true and it is a bold one then I expect some groundbreaking AI from Splinter Cell Conviction when it comes out or the guy will totally be proven to be BS-ing. If it doesn't have AI that trumps anything we've seen so far then his statement was obviously exaggerated.



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Didn't something similar happen with Assassin's Creed where something similar to this was said, but then wasn't actually as true?



leo-j said:

According to the ps blog, browsing through I found that somone asked about the statement ubisoft said that "ps3 cant handle AI as well as 360", believe it or not a sony employe responded.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/08/13/ps3-stress-test/#comments

"@Free — PS3 can more than handle AI, as you will see with Heavenly Sword, which has hundreds of on-screen enemies with different AI routines at one time thanks to the power of CELL."

Wierd huh? So is it just me or is ubisoft talking BS?


Of course a Sony employee will say that. A MS rep would say that too if someone stated that the 360 couldn't handle (fill in the blank) too.



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leo-j said:

According to the ps blog, browsing through I found that somone asked about the statement ubisoft said that "ps3 cant handle AI as well as 360", believe it or not a sony employe responded.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/08/13/ps3-stress-test/#comments

"@Free — PS3 can more than handle AI, as you will see with Heavenly Sword, which has hundreds of on-screen enemies with different AI routines at one time thanks to the power of CELL."

Wierd huh? So is it just me or is ubisoft talking BS?


 Every game is going to have vastly different AI's with vastly different effects on system performance.  Simply put, there are AIs that with only a single enemy running with it would completely overwhelm both the 360 and the PS3...and 99% of computers out there.  The fact is that not all AIs are equal, and while you might be able to have thousands of one AI running at once you might only be able to have 3 or 4 creatures with a different AI on screen at once.



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The sony employee cant just say " THE PS3 HAS better AI than our competition, or better AI than the 360" this would result in legal issues. Even if it is true. The thing I find funny as that people think resistance has AI that sucks. I have to bring killzone in the situation, the guys hide and shoot blindly with there hands up, and cover just like you. edit: Is that bad AI? no..

 



 

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Shock and surprise, mitsuhide and Hus call Ubisoft lazy incompetent developers again.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

WiteoutKing said:
Shock and surprise, mitsuhide and Hus call Ubisoft lazy incompetent developers again.

If you played their crap ass pathetic ports you'd do the same.

Sad thing is Ea is better then they are, thats really sad on Ubis part. To be out done by Ea.

 

 



I have played their games. They aren't "crap ass pathetic ports", they're pretty decent titles. And good lord, 9 times out of 10 I will reach for an Ubisoft game before an EA game.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

leo-j said:

According to the ps blog, browsing through I found that somone asked about the statement ubisoft said that "ps3 cant handle AI as well as 360", believe it or not a sony employe responded.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/08/13/ps3-stress-test/#comments

"@Free — PS3 can more than handle AI, as you will see with Heavenly Sword, which has hundreds of on-screen enemies with different AI routines at one time thanks to the power of CELL."

Wierd huh? So is it just me or is ubisoft talking BS?


There are different ways for AI to work -- some times it's done with finite state automata, sometimes it's done with searches, etc. The fact is that the 360's 3 cores are far more capable for most AI algorithms than the Cell's single core + SPEs. That's just how it is.

Ubisoft developers are not lying. It makes sense. Look at how AI works and what the Cell offers vs what the 360's cores offer. Additional general purpose cores can help a ton for AI.

And as far as EA is concerned: They're rendering PS3 Madden at 30fps when the 360's is rendered at 60fps.  The 360's additional CPU cores make this possible.



leo-j said:

The sony employee cant just say " THE PS3 HAS better AI than our competition, or better AI than the 360" this would result in legal issues. Even if it is true. The thing I find funny as that people think resistance has AI that sucks. I have to bring killzone in the situation, the guys hide and shoot blindly with there hands up, and cover just like you. edit: Is that bad AI? no..

 


 This is actually not true, in this case there is no defined best so legally its an assumed opinion.  Just how it works ..



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