uhm variety means different genres, and better variety doesn't mean 1 better game in each genres but more varied games in different genres... which isn't opinion when you can list them but off hand I can think of many more on PS3 then 360... which was what I was talking about in my post, if you can prove me wrong go ahead but like I said it's not even a big deal when I say they're all basically got their pluses and minuses...

Haha this is my theory it's a fact until proven otherwise - now you do all the reseach and prove me wrong??

Lame.

No I think I got my point across.

I mean you saw that was my point right?  I was just trying to make a few lists of pluses and minuses I could think up off hand :P but all to make the points that all three consoles get a lot of guff which is usually fueled by ignorance then actual hate, now a point of mine can be wrong since I was thinking up things offhand... but the way to prove it wrong is a number of games in different genres then a meta score lol

@MikeB: The slimline should need to be priced somewhere sub 200 pricerange. The 2009 line-up isn't anything impressive. Notice that GTA4 didn't have practically any effect against the Wii, a game which without a doubt was the biggest hitter the HD consoles can get. Notice that it's been outsold by MKWii and Wii Fit (on a smaller installbase) and that should give an impression about games that sell systems. As i said, Wiis biggest system sellers can't be beaten by making "bigger and better" games.
Despite the HD consoles fighting an uphill battle against Wii, when combined, individually they need to fight each other on top of that. Besides, SCE isn't in a situation where it could drop the price and take more losses (slimline isn't going to drop the price in half).

@CGI-Quality: Well, it's pretty much a failure for losing that much money and marketshare. Difference with GC is, that the latter made money.

Indeed GC was a profit which was why Nintendo unlike SEGA was able to stay in business, though Sony will finally turn a profit in not too long, and will probably pass both GC and Xbox in sales, then software will fuel profits, it won't be a victory for Sony but not a total failure only if it kills the Playstation brand will it be considdered a failure...

For the playstation brand, it is. We are not talking about a f*cking 3dO or something... It is playstation, the most valuable brand in household videogaming. And the results of the ps3 and the marketing bs attached to it is miserable.

Now, that is just my opinion. I don't have any problem with people buying it because of the blue-ray and the hard-drive (or whatever what justify the price) and enjoy it. I'm not going to bash them telling this is the wrong choice, absolutly not.

But I do have a problem with people telling it is the best VG devices ever created (...), while it is just a failed opportunity IMO.

@Maxwell: You're acting like an idiot!

Whats the point in devaluing Halo 3 at all? In doing so you're acting like a fanboy. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that it doesn't have value to other people. Hasn't this topic come up again and again and again?

Reasons to not devalue Halo 3 101 by Squilliam:

1. As other shooters are measured against and with Halo 3, devaluing Halo devalues Call of Duty IV, Killzone 2 etc.

2. You invite other people to target games you're interested in. If its ok for you to devalue the good work of Bungie, then you explicitly give permission to others if they want to devalue other games, so don't complain if it pissed you off when the 300th person says "I don't want to play a movie" or "X game is just for casuals" etc.

3. You may be ok with the trolling backlash, but are you caring about others who have to experience it as well? Case in point: Lets say CGI_Quality never said a trolling thing in his life, is it fair he has to experience the current anti-sony backlash brought and paid for by the trolling of certain fanatics in the past?

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Killzone 2 is an awesome game, take it back from the people with the fucking agendas and kick them to the curb. Anyone who truely believes in the value of a game protects it from the people who will use it to push their twisted agendas. Remember, the worst troll is one that brings the hate back onto you. If you love Killzone or Heavy Rain or GT5 or Gears, or Alan Wake treat it as an invitation for others to enjoy what you have, not as a trout to slap them in the face. You attract more bees with honey than vinegar.

@ Squilliam

I think Halo 3 was overhyped by the media. It's not the best FPS by far, the story campaign is short and repetivie, so XBox 360 fans better pay for online in addition, but even its online doesn't provide much new, nothing like the fresh air Resistance 2 or Warhawk provided. Technically I thought this game would set a standard for 360 gaming as the platform's most anticipated 1st party exclusive. The game instead underlined the bottlenecks with 640p graphics rendering and no AA at all (which was hyped to be "free" at a time).

IMO this game also underlines why metacritic sadly isn't that useful, there are a lot of biased media out there which affect the score averages. For example Gamespot's main criticism with regard to Ratchet & Clank: Future was that the game is similar to previous popular games in the series (despite the huge upgrade and there are many new gamplay aspects in this game), yet they didn't do this with regard to Halo 3 in comparison to Halo 2 and gave the game an amazing 9.5.