@MikeB: Technical specifications aside, since we all know they count from very little to none (especially when we are talking about two platforms so close to each other).
As for exclusives, both have their own, but generally both of the platforms have their equivalent exclusives to counter each other. And as i mentioned, it's very hard to justify the twice as big pricetag on PS3 (although, online you have to pay for does make PS3 more appealing option than it would be if Live was free).

Well yes, they ended to PS3, which only further proves my point; 360 installbase isn't big enough to sustain a certain sales level, so porting the games on PS3 is a good way to gain additional sales to make profit. The thing works in the other way as well, with the difference that PS3 has lost exclusives prior to release (for the late ports, i'd bet M$ moneyhatting publishers for timed exclusives).
In the end, we have one platform that offers publishers around 50% marketshare and is cheaper to develope for. And that's the platform that is going to keep PS3 (and 360) in the swamp they're at, due to it's games library.

MikeB said: @ Sardauk Lets say 1.200 € And why do you think the PS3 pricing is so scandalous then? For 1200 Euro, you can also have a PS3 with: - A large harddrive - Free online gameplay (+Playstation Home) - Blu-Ray movie playback (taking full advantage of your HDTV) - Keyboard, mouse and wireless headset - and extras like Wi-Fi, less noise generation, internal power supply, etc. as well as 15 full price PS3 games (with DLC) instead. Is that scandalous?

 

No, back when I bought my 360, PS3 was still 600 Euros.

- A large harddrive -> Commodity
- Free online gameplay (+Playstation Home) -> lack of QOS
- Blu-Ray movie playback (taking full advantage of your HDTV) -> Ok good point
- Keyboard, mouse and wireless headset -> Pfff
- and extras like Wi-Fi, less noise generation, internal power supply, etc.  Wifi for online gaming ? Less noise (it is also very noisy, internal power supply ?? ..)

 

No more seriously, the price is the very first reason why PS3 is lagging behind and badly ! Not compared to the opposition, but to its own brand. The first shot of SONY, the PS1 sold what ? 100 Mil ? And here we are at less than 20 % of that after 2 years ??

No the price is still too heavy because SONY failed at securing a good procution capability. I won't pay for them to cover their financial problem...

That is all. They failed for this generation, all they can achieve will be a less bad situation .... it is like that, lets wait for the next one...

 

@ Sardauk

You mean entry pricing and I agree that's an important factor for consumers (nomatter if the console provides better value or not), but the more you invest in your 360 the smaller the percentage difference becomes.

I see you don't agree with many of my points, but if you want just a 120 GB harddrive in your 360 you pay the same price as we PS3 folk pay for a 320 GB (which isn't available for the 360).

Personally I would gladly pay extra if for instance I know all my game discs are scratch protected and indeed my PS3 is super silent when playing games or watching movies, unlike the 360 I had.



It isn't any more (although the original 60GB model had extras compared to currently sold models).

I got a Motorstorm 80GB Bundle PS3 for $500

MX vs ATV Untamed - Used $30

NASCAR 08 - Used $40

COD 4 - New $60

Warhawk - Used $35

GTA4 - New $60

MGS4 - New $60

NASCAR 09 - New $60

BAJA: EOC - New $60

Madden 09 - New $60

GT5P - Used $25

SOCOM: Confrontation Headset Bundle - $60

Resitance 2 - New $60

Dualshock 3 - $55

For a total of $1165, plus I get a Blu-Ray Drive, Flash Card readers, Wi-Fi, and free online play.

Look guys don't fight agains't me, I'm not a PS3 hater... I'm just just pragmatic ...

For the Playstation brand... it is a commercial failure (not like the 360 is an outstanding success, but ...).

A 320 GB drive to do what ? This is not a PC...

Look guys don't fight agains't me, I'm not a PS3 hater... I'm just just pragmatic ...

For the Playstation brand... it is a commercial failure (not like the 360 is an outstanding success, but ...).

 

I also had great hope for the cell etc ... but it failed miserably.

I might get a PS3 within a year, not before, but I highly doubt about it...

 

(Oops ??? Wtf happened with double post ?)

Sardauk said: Look guys don't fight agains't me, I'm not a PS3 hater... I'm just just pragmatic ... For the Playstation brand... it is a commercial failure (not like the 360 is an outstanding success, but ...).

It has been expensive for Sony (both in terms of R&D and selling below actual manufacturing cost), that we already knew before the PS3 launched. But it also helped Sony with selling more Bravias and winning the format war.

I think the commercial success can only be judged at the end of this generation. According to Sony for the PS3 this should be around 2016. We may well see a cheaper PSThree in the near future, which may prove itself to become a huge success.

But if you don't have Sony stock or received a paycut from Sony, more relevant to consumers is the gaming success. With regard to this many agree the PS3 had the best games for 2008 and the line-up for 2009 looks amazing (not so much for the 360).

 

Sardauk said: A 320 GB drive to do what ? This is not a PC... Look guys don't fight agains't me, I'm not a PS3 hater... I'm just just pragmatic ...

Being pragmatic and all, you at least agree 320 GB is better value for the same money than a 120 GB harddrive?

I have lots of 80's dance videos, pictures and MP3s stored on my PS3 for example.

 

MikeB said: I have lots of 80's dance videos...stored on my PS3 for example.

 

 Nice

MikeB said: Sardauk said: Look guys don't fight agains't me, I'm not a PS3 hater... I'm just just pragmatic ... For the Playstation brand... it is a commercial failure (not like the 360 is an outstanding success, but ...). It has been expensive for Sony (both in terms of R&D and selling below actual manufacturing cost), that we already knew before the PS3 launched. But it also helped Sony with selling more Bravias and winning the format war. I think the commercial success can only be judged at the end of this generation. According to Sony for the PS3 this should be around 2016. We may well see a cheaper PSThree in the near future, which may prove itself to become a huge success. But if you don't have Sony stock or received a paycut from Sony, more relevant to consumers is the gaming success. With regard to this many agree the PS3 had the best games for 2008 and the line-up for 2009 looks amazing (not so much for the 360).

 

Why are Sony fans the only people who believe the 10 year plan myth?

Back in 2001 Nintendo talked about how they believed that the technology in the Gamecube would be good enough that it would be a viable platform for 8 years. Although they were correct about the technology (after all, look at the Wii which isn't much more powerful than the Wii and will be the best selling console 8 years after the Gamecube launched) it was the factors outside of Nintendo's control that meant the Gamecube only lasted 5 years.

The same is true of the PS3 and PSP ... While the technology might be good enough for viable products for the next decade, the viability of these platforms is determined by factors that are completely unrelated to the technology and are out of Sony's control at this point in time.