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Forums - Nintendo - FPA Metroid Trilogy is over. Time to move on. 3rd Person anyone?

Demotruk on 05 January 2009

Innovation is overrated. Innovation can be awesome, but quite often I am happy with expanded content rather than innovation.



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Valkyria00 on 05 January 2009
Khuutra said:
Valkyria00 said:
So at the end of this thread people want more of the same *sigh*

Gamers cry for innovations yet dont want stuff like this to happen. "If it aint broke dont fix it"
As a big of a Zelda fan I am TP was just another Zelda game.

You all just want some retro experience (2D) or keep FP because you think it still JUST works.

3rd person is the only direction to take it imo to give us a new thrilling experience in Metroid.

All 2-D games are in the third-person. A 3rd person games in 3D would be difficult to control in combat unless you either got rid of the shooting mechanics or put the camera just behind Samus constantly, which would mean we would finally be playing Gears of UnMetroidcharted. I don't particularly thing either of those sound appetizing, even on paper.

I have to keep bringing this up. When the world heard Metroid was going first-person they all flipped! No on knew what to expect and most peopel hated it.

Turns out they were great. Now what if they do what everyone thought and go third person?

I dunno Im one of the few who actually want it

@Demotruk
I shouldnt have really used innovation more like a new/fun experience doesnt neccassarily have to innovate. Just something new and cool for the metroid series.



Khuutra on 05 January 2009

Well, I have no doubt that if anyone could make it work, Nintendo could, but I don't see it as being the future direction for the series.



SnesTea on 05 January 2009

A 3D 3rd person Metroid could work. As long as the battle system was similar to Ocarina of Time.



vlad321 on 05 January 2009
Staude said:
vlad321 said:
Staude said:
vlad321 said:
Staude said:
vlad321 said:
Valkyria00 said:
vlad321 said:
tehsage said:
I mean, that's like saying "Do you want a first-person Zelda game?"

I don't.

 

This.

Metroid Prime and Half-Life are two very similar franchises. Both have their silent heroes, both have damn good puzzles. One just focuses more on the shooting the other on the aadventure.

 

That said, MP could easily be in 3rd person, howeverit will be the same. There is NO difference between 1st and 3rd, other than the fact that you can see things coming from the sides/behind you. However in 3d person, doing some of the few shooting parts in MP will become a pain, since you'd have Samus blocking your view all the time. Therefore stay with 1st or 2D.

Isnt that like saying your character in 3rd Person shooters are in your way all the time!?

Come on there is a big difference in FP and 3rd Person. Combat for one could be change alot

 

 

That's exactly why it should NOT be in 3rd. 3rd person shooting is a joke and retarded, just like melee swordfighting in 1st is a joke.

 

You have obviously never played dark messiah of might and magic before.

The gameplay starts 1 minut in. Give it a watch for it is beyond awesome.

Thank you for linking to one of the games that's an example of first person melee sucking.... I could just as easily show you an awesome Morrowind video.

 

 

? difference is i have this game and i know it's awesome. Otherwise i wouldn't have played through it like 8 times so far and keep on doing it. Melee in this game is awesome.

 

I had high, VERY high hopes for Dark Messiah and I was extremely, EXTREMELY disappointed. Pro Tip: Use the Kick! I still can't get myself to finish this horrible game.

Did you play the pc version ? cause that one is awesome. I haven't tried the console version. And did you use the shield properly ? you have to use both the shield, sword and kick to fight properly.. and use the enviroments :p (if you are a warrior)

 

 

Of course I played the PC version... Pc versoins are in general far better than console versions and even then it sucked. I didn't use neithe shield nor sword nor spell, I used my mighty boot. Still a mediocre game.

 

@Valkyria

Keeping aperspective does NOT mean there can't be innovation.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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Valkyria00 on 05 January 2009
vlad321 said:

@Valkyria

Keeping aperspective does NOT mean there can't be innovation.

I know that.
Its just I HATE the first-person view. Besides GoldenEye I dislike all FPS that Ive played. I wasnt sure I wanted MP3 but I gave it a shot. Its a good game. I dont regret it. Thing is its been done. Theyre bring the previous 2 enhanced on Wii which will be the superior versions of them. Its over

I want a 3rd Person Metroid.

 



vlad321 on 05 January 2009
Valkyria00 said:
vlad321 said:

@Valkyria

Keeping aperspective does NOT mean there can't be innovation.

I know that.
Its just I HATE the first-person view. Besides GoldenEye I dislike all FPS that Ive played. I wasnt sure I wanted MP3 but I gave it a shot. Its a good game. I dont regret it. Thing is its been done. Theyre bring the previous 2 enhanced on Wii which will be the superior versions of them. Its over

I want a 3rd Person Metroid.

 

 

As i said before, unless it's melee 3rd person is useless and an utter waste of time. If it's shooting it's retarded for it not to be in 1st person. Just because you don't like it it doesn't mean it's worse.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

SnesTea on 05 January 2009
Khuutra said:
kitler53 said:
stof said:
The series works incredibly well in First Person. A large part of what makes the game so great is just how enveloping and engaging the first person perspective is. The screen overlays, the scanning, steam on your helmet. It just draws you in so well. Arbitrarily switching the games perspective only makes sense if it's to usher in a new concept or play style.

I wouldn't support changing the games perspective just for the sake of it. If anything, I think we should maybe get a handheld or wiiware title, and then let the Metroid franchise take a break until the next console. Give Nintendo a chance to seriously up the graphical presentation as well.

agreed...

...but the thing is, while metroid prime did a great job of moving to FPS and still keeping the essence of the series, it was missing one key ingredient for me.  i'm speaking specically of wall jumping of course (and morph ball to a lesser extent) which didn't really exist except as a retro-throwbacky/afterthought sort of way (i haven't gotten to part 3 so don't correct me if i'm wrong).  if moving the series to third person could bring this element back...I'D LOVE IT!!!

the obvious problem, of course, is i have yet to see any 3D game really pull off the wall jumping mechanic well.  ./sigh

There's wall jumping in Corruption.

And in Echoes, so obviously, you haven't even gotten the Screw Attack in Prime 2.

 



Valkyria00 on 05 January 2009
vlad321 said:
Valkyria00 said:
vlad321 said:

@Valkyria

Keeping aperspective does NOT mean there can't be innovation.

I know that.
Its just I HATE the first-person view. Besides GoldenEye I dislike all FPS that Ive played. I wasnt sure I wanted MP3 but I gave it a shot. Its a good game. I dont regret it. Thing is its been done. Theyre bring the previous 2 enhanced on Wii which will be the superior versions of them. Its over

I want a 3rd Person Metroid.

 

 

As i said before, unless it's melee 3rd person is useless and an utter waste of time. If it's shooting it's retarded for it not to be in 1st person. Just because you don't like it it doesn't mean it's worse.

Same goes for you. I dont think 3rd Person shooters are horrible like you make them out to be. I like Gears of War. I dont want 3rd Person Metroid to be like a Gears game. Im just saying just because you say 3rd person shooting sucks doesnt make it true. I admit the FP metroid worked its just my prefrence that the next would be 3rd Person.



Possum5454 on 05 January 2009

I'd like it to stay the same.
I'm not saying that the game couldn't be good. It's just that I dislike the majority of 3rd person shooters. I also like the FP view in prime quite a bit and I haven't had enough of it yet. I still think the best games were the side scrollers though.



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