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tehsage said:
I mean, that's like saying "Do you want a first-person Zelda game?"

I don't.

If Miyamoto says it will work, then by God, I'm willing to give it a shot.

That said, if I had to choose, I'd rather the next 3-D Metroid stay where it is. The Wii remote, unlike traditional gamepads, is better made for first person views, rather than third.



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.jayderyu said:
I don't like the FPS view. Not being able to judge my footing or relative body position just blows. For all FPS it blows. 3rd person may not be view immersive, but because you can see what's going on around you. FPS = lack of sense. 3rd person = enforced senses.

So I would play and like the series far more if it was 3rd.

 

You must have a rough time with Real Life, what with it's lack of option to pull the 'camera' back to third person



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It seems like there's two camps(not counting those that simply want to see another 2D Metroid). Those that hope the next(assuming there ever will be one) 3D Metroid remain first-person, and those that would like to see it done in third-person.

As a means of compromise, why not a second-person view point? The viewpoint will be that of another bounty hunter, a helpful Metroid, or a drone(or her Alien spawn), but the player controls Samus. The "eyes" may be completely out of control of the player, or it may be up to the player to get them to a new area through pick-ups specifically such a purpose or by using some of Samus's abilities on them, such as the grappling hook.

Combat would be the trickiest aspect though. The buddy might have to follow Samus closely to give the player a good view of everything in front of her, which would require some interesting movement on the buddy's part when turning Samus around. Another option is to have the buddy stationary somewhere which gives a good vantage point of the entire area. Though this would probably limit the areas to have combat in, raise the question of why the buddy doesn't get attacked, or inhibit players that intend to avoid combat when possible and simply move from room to room quickly.

At first I thought of this merely as a joke, but if done right it would really allow for the best of both worlds. Much stronger platforming elements thanks to the third-person view. Maintain the ability to take in the visuals of the environments as well as use of visors with the buddy. I'm sure it would never happen in the Metroid universe, but I think it's interesting nonetheless.



I noticed you said any game can be made 3D and still be good. I don't think Super Smash Bros would be any good in 3D.

As for Metroid, I don't want 3rd person game, either stick with first person or go back to 2D. I do prefer first person though.



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.jayderyu said:
I don't like the FPS view. Not being able to judge my footing or relative body position just blows. For all FPS it blows. 3rd person may not be view immersive, but because you can see what's going on around you. FPS = lack of sense. 3rd person = enforced senses.

So I would play and like the series far more if it was 3rd.

 

QQ more. If you suck at the game, it doesn't mean the game design sucks.



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I for one would like to see many more first person Metroids. But I agree they could take a break; in the meantime, create a state-of-the-art 2D Metroid, not for DS, not for Wiiware, but for Wii! Fully 3D rendered world but with a 2D sideview and gameplay like New Super Mario Bros.

The sequel to Super Metroid that we never got (Fusion and Zero Mission, while good, are a lot weaker than Super Metroid).



vlad321 said:
Valkyria00 said:
vlad321 said:
tehsage said:
I mean, that's like saying "Do you want a first-person Zelda game?"

I don't.

 

This.

Metroid Prime and Half-Life are two very similar franchises. Both have their silent heroes, both have damn good puzzles. One just focuses more on the shooting the other on the aadventure.

 

That said, MP could easily be in 3rd person, howeverit will be the same. There is NO difference between 1st and 3rd, other than the fact that you can see things coming from the sides/behind you. However in 3d person, doing some of the few shooting parts in MP will become a pain, since you'd have Samus blocking your view all the time. Therefore stay with 1st or 2D.

Isnt that like saying your character in 3rd Person shooters are in your way all the time!?

Come on there is a big difference in FP and 3rd Person. Combat for one could be change alot

 

 

That's exactly why it should NOT be in 3rd. 3rd person shooting is a joke and retarded, just like melee swordfighting in 1st is a joke.

 

You have obviously never played dark messiah of might and magic before.

The gameplay starts 1 minut in. Give it a watch for it is beyond awesome.



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Staude said:
vlad321 said:
Valkyria00 said:
vlad321 said:
tehsage said:
I mean, that's like saying "Do you want a first-person Zelda game?"

I don't.

 

This.

Metroid Prime and Half-Life are two very similar franchises. Both have their silent heroes, both have damn good puzzles. One just focuses more on the shooting the other on the aadventure.

 

That said, MP could easily be in 3rd person, howeverit will be the same. There is NO difference between 1st and 3rd, other than the fact that you can see things coming from the sides/behind you. However in 3d person, doing some of the few shooting parts in MP will become a pain, since you'd have Samus blocking your view all the time. Therefore stay with 1st or 2D.

Isnt that like saying your character in 3rd Person shooters are in your way all the time!?

Come on there is a big difference in FP and 3rd Person. Combat for one could be change alot

 

 

That's exactly why it should NOT be in 3rd. 3rd person shooting is a joke and retarded, just like melee swordfighting in 1st is a joke.

 

You have obviously never played dark messiah of might and magic before.

The gameplay starts 1 minut in. Give it a watch for it is beyond awesome.

Thank you for linking to one of the games that's an example of first person melee sucking.... I could just as easily show you an awesome Morrowind video.

 



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vlad321 said:
Staude said:
vlad321 said:
Valkyria00 said:
vlad321 said:
tehsage said:
I mean, that's like saying "Do you want a first-person Zelda game?"

I don't.

 

This.

Metroid Prime and Half-Life are two very similar franchises. Both have their silent heroes, both have damn good puzzles. One just focuses more on the shooting the other on the aadventure.

 

That said, MP could easily be in 3rd person, howeverit will be the same. There is NO difference between 1st and 3rd, other than the fact that you can see things coming from the sides/behind you. However in 3d person, doing some of the few shooting parts in MP will become a pain, since you'd have Samus blocking your view all the time. Therefore stay with 1st or 2D.

Isnt that like saying your character in 3rd Person shooters are in your way all the time!?

Come on there is a big difference in FP and 3rd Person. Combat for one could be change alot

 

 

That's exactly why it should NOT be in 3rd. 3rd person shooting is a joke and retarded, just like melee swordfighting in 1st is a joke.

 

You have obviously never played dark messiah of might and magic before.

The gameplay starts 1 minut in. Give it a watch for it is beyond awesome.

Thank you for linking to one of the games that's an example of first person melee sucking.... I could just as easily show you an awesome Morrowind video.

 

 

? difference is i have this game and i know it's awesome. Otherwise i wouldn't have played through it like 8 times so far and keep on doing it. Melee in this game is awesome.



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Staude said:
vlad321 said:
Staude said:
vlad321 said:
Valkyria00 said:
vlad321 said:
tehsage said:
I mean, that's like saying "Do you want a first-person Zelda game?"

I don't.

 

This.

Metroid Prime and Half-Life are two very similar franchises. Both have their silent heroes, both have damn good puzzles. One just focuses more on the shooting the other on the aadventure.

 

That said, MP could easily be in 3rd person, howeverit will be the same. There is NO difference between 1st and 3rd, other than the fact that you can see things coming from the sides/behind you. However in 3d person, doing some of the few shooting parts in MP will become a pain, since you'd have Samus blocking your view all the time. Therefore stay with 1st or 2D.

Isnt that like saying your character in 3rd Person shooters are in your way all the time!?

Come on there is a big difference in FP and 3rd Person. Combat for one could be change alot

 

 

That's exactly why it should NOT be in 3rd. 3rd person shooting is a joke and retarded, just like melee swordfighting in 1st is a joke.

 

You have obviously never played dark messiah of might and magic before.

The gameplay starts 1 minut in. Give it a watch for it is beyond awesome.

Thank you for linking to one of the games that's an example of first person melee sucking.... I could just as easily show you an awesome Morrowind video.

 

 

? difference is i have this game and i know it's awesome. Otherwise i wouldn't have played through it like 8 times so far and keep on doing it. Melee in this game is awesome.

 

I had high, VERY high hopes for Dark Messiah and I was extremely, EXTREMELY disappointed. Pro Tip: Use the Kick! I still can't get myself to finish this horrible game.



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Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835