Would be nice to see it banned, but unfortunately, you can't always legislate morality (if you could, it'd be great to see alcohol and other vices go as well).
I would say that it's fine as-is. Hopefully, as time goes on, people realize how idiotic such addictive substances are, and drop them in favor of a cleaner, healthier, and more profitable lifestyle.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
| mrstickball said: Would be nice to see it banned, but unfortunately, you can't always legislate morality (if you could, it'd be great to see alcohol and other vices go as well). I would say that it's fine as-is. Hopefully, as time goes on, people realize how idiotic such addictive substances are, and drop them in favor of a cleaner, healthier, and more profitable lifestyle. |
True, but I can't pick on the smokers too much, I used to be a smoker too, but it was mostly because I was trying to fit in with everyone at college lol I think most smokers are like that, it's an image thing. Most will say that it's because they need it to deal with life, but smoking actually makes your more anxious and depressed, like alcohol, so, really, if you want to deal with life, find something else to take the edge off. Just my opinion, it's cool if you don't agree.
I'm not saying all drugs should be legal, but there are a lot of drugs that are currently illegal for no good reason.
The criteria should be:
1) How physically dangerous is the drug (toxicity, side effects, etc.)
2) How addictive is the drug
3) What effect does it have on a society that people take that drug (and this can't just be broad generalizations that people so often rely on, it has to be based on something rational and something provable)
Using any other criteria that aren't based on some kind of evidence or research is too unstable of a foundation for a criminal justice system to justify punishing people for using those drugs. Its a very regressive kind of attitude to do otherwise.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
vgchartzgirl said:
True, but I can't pick on the smokers too much, I used to be a smoker too, but it was mostly because I was trying to fit in with everyone at college lol I think most smokers are like that, it's an image thing. Most will say that it's because they need it to deal with life, but smoking actually makes your more anxious and depressed, like alcohol, so, really, if you want to deal with life, find something else to take the edge off. Just my opinion, it's cool if you don't agree. |
Right. I can understand the vauge positives behind smoking (social reasons, mental), but I tend to think there are far more beneficial things out there than spending $4.50 a pack in Ohio on something that provides very little real benefit.
I always looked at it this way: If I smoked a pack a day, at $4.00 per pack, I would be spending just under $1,460/yr on said meaningless addiction. Now, some may not be able to quanify $1,460/yr, but for me that could be a lot of things - a car, video games, internet, ect. Such objects are far more beneficial, for coping with life as well as social benefits.
Most vices are that way with me - I can't quanitfy given vices (prostitution, drugs, alcohol, gambling) by weighing cost vs. benefit as compared to more legal products.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
| akuma587 said: I'm not saying all drugs should be legal, but there are a lot of drugs that are currently illegal for no good reason. The criteria should be: 1) How physically dangerous is the drug (toxicity, side effects, etc.) 2) How addictive is the drug 3) What effect does it have on a society that people take that drug (and this can't just be broad generalizations that people so often rely on, it has to be based on something rational and something provable) Using any other criteria that aren't based on some kind of evidence or research is too unstable of a foundation for a criminal justice system to justify punishing people for using those drugs. Its a very regressive kind of attitude to do otherwise. |
Yeah, for instance, I wouldn't dare do heroine, you would be hooked to that instantly. It's weird that weed is illegal,
it's probably safer than alcohol, IMO. But, everyone nowadays just pops pills to get their high.
| akuma587 said: I'm not saying all drugs should be legal, but there are a lot of drugs that are currently illegal for no good reason. The criteria should be: 1) How physically dangerous is the drug (toxicity, side effects, etc.) 2) How addictive is the drug 3) What effect does it have on a society that people take that drug (and this can't just be broad generalizations that people so often rely on, it has to be based on something rational and something provable) Using any other criteria that aren't based on some kind of evidence or research is too unstable of a foundation for a criminal justice system to justify punishing people for using those drugs. Its a very regressive kind of attitude to do otherwise. |
Very good way(s) of quantifying the legalization of given drugs. One must remember that, at one time, many banned substances were legal (such as opiates).
Sometimes, I wonder how many regimes America supports by the banning of substances, that in turn, mutilate and kill people in their home countries. I'm not trying to justify horrendous drugs, but it is an interesting line of discussion - if heroin was legal (and caused a price collapse of said drug), would it not topple drug runners in the golden crescent and golden triangle?
Very interesting discussion. I've thought about this one the past few days, and it's crazy to think about, but should be questioned - could the adage of 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' work in some sort of reverse way to hurt drug usage & homebrewed production if it was legalized, and have a positive social impact if people became responsible?
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
Prescription drug abuse has skyrocketed over the last two decades. Its just plain obscene. And not just that, people are just so comfortable with it. They act like prescription pills aren't "drugs."
I know a girl who had smoked weed before who was critical of its effect on people. Then she was telling me about how she sold some of her adderall that she hadn't used to her friends. I told her that what she did was a serious felony in most states and she just laughed.
I think a lot of people think because you get them from a doctor and can buy them in a store that they aren't dangerous.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
mrstickball said:
Very good way(s) of quantifying the legalization of given drugs. One must remember that, at one time, many banned substances were legal (such as opiates). Sometimes, I wonder how many regimes America supports by the banning of substances, that in turn, mutilate and kill people in their home countries. I'm not trying to justify horrendous drugs, but it is an interesting line of discussion - if heroin was legal (and caused a price collapse of said drug), would it not topple drug runners in the golden crescent and golden triangle? Very interesting discussion. I've thought about this one the past few days, and it's crazy to think about, but should be questioned - could the adage of 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' work in some sort of reverse way to hurt drug usage & homebrewed production if it was legalized, and have a positive social impact if people became responsible? |
That is true, seems like the government goes back and forth on what is ok and what is not ok. I think if certain drugs (like weed) were legalized, at first, people wouldn't be responsible, it would just be a bunch of people acting stupid just because they can be stupid. But, after a few years, after a few laws were in placed (something like a "you can't drive when you are under the influence of weed"), then people would use it as a recreational drug. I mean, if someone got stoned off their ass, then they'd just fall asleep and be happy, but when people get drunk, they just get mad and cause trouble.
| akuma587 said: Prescription drug abuse has skyrocketed over the last two decades. Its just plain obscene. And not just that, people are just so comfortable with it. They act like prescription pills aren't "drugs." |
Yeah, people can be stupid sometimes. It's weird to think that when I was growing up, the only thing I was warned against was "drinking and driving" and "smoking pot", but nowadays, seems like you need to tell kids to stay away from the medicine cabinet.
theres led in lipstick. Over a life time a woman swallows enough led to kill a few people.
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
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