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Grampy on 01 January 2009

We have to recognize that games are rated in different ways and these measurements mean different things:

Game of the Year
A straight popularity contest among the minority that votes and cares about this ranking.
Usually takes place after the sales have run their course.
Effect: Makes developers and fans feel good. May help future sales of that IP and developer

Critical Review
A judgment on a game usually targeted at core gamers and the types of games they like
Occurs upon games release so that it can impact game sales
Effect: A high score makes developers and fans feel good. May help future sales of that IP and developer Sales effects can be dramatic within the core audience the reads reviews. A poorly rated core game may be seriously hurt in sales. Ironically, the very lowest rated, non-core or "casual" game may be affected very little because the buyers don't read such reviews.

Attachment Rate
Raw sales/installed base  - % of console owners that own a particular game or average total games per owner
Effect: Bragging rights for console maker and/or game developer, a feel good. Otherwise meaningless, a very high attachment rate on a small base may not be profitable

Raw Sales/Development Costs
Total profits per game developed
Effects: Bragging rights for console maker and game developer. This is the single most important measurement for getting and maintaining future game development. How much will it cost to crank out that game and will I make enough to cover that and leave a profit.

Hence the rumor that the cheap to produce, poorly rated, moderate attachment rate Carnival Games on the huge Wii base may actually have made more money for Take Two than the highly acclaimed, super mega hit .... But hyper expensive GTA4.

In other words AWARDS fill up walls but it's SALES that fill wallets.



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Snake on 02 January 2009
saicho said:
Snake said:
theRepublic said:

Does this look like console of the year to you?

The holidays are the most important time of the year.  The Wii is up 80% year over year for the holidays.  The 360 is up 47%.  The PS3 is down 15%.

If you want to claim that as some sort of victory, go right ahead.  You would have to be delusional though.

What about Resistance 2, Little Big Planet,  Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, MGS4... And PS3 outsold 360  this year EVERYWHERE, ANYTIME but not in USA. And PS3 outsold 360 in USA in June. Only the last two months were bad for PS3. PS3 sales DESTROYED 360 sales in Japan. PS3 sales massacred 360 sales in Europe till November.Only thing good for 460 this year is price cut and Gears Of War 2. THAT IS ALL.

 

In the end, 360 still outsold PS3 and that's what counts.

In a basketball game, you can have a big lead at the end of third quater but one horrible 4th quater loses the game. It is still a loss no matter how well you did in the first 3 quaters of the game. That's what happened to PS3.

You can't compare basketball game and console sales. for EXAMPLE: PS3 outsells 360 till November 6 million to 3 million and then till January next year 360 outsells PS3 3 million to 1 million. the PS3 would still be a winner.And this chart up here is WEEKLY sales of PS3

 



nightsurge on 02 January 2009
Snake said:
saicho said:
Snake said:
theRepublic said:

Does this look like console of the year to you?

The holidays are the most important time of the year.  The Wii is up 80% year over year for the holidays.  The 360 is up 47%.  The PS3 is down 15%.

If you want to claim that as some sort of victory, go right ahead.  You would have to be delusional though.

What about Resistance 2, Little Big Planet,  Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, MGS4... And PS3 outsold 360  this year EVERYWHERE, ANYTIME but not in USA. And PS3 outsold 360 in USA in June. Only the last two months were bad for PS3. PS3 sales DESTROYED 360 sales in Japan. PS3 sales massacred 360 sales in Europe till November.Only thing good for 460 this year is price cut and Gears Of War 2. THAT IS ALL.

 

In the end, 360 still outsold PS3 and that's what counts.

In a basketball game, you can have a big lead at the end of third quater but one horrible 4th quater loses the game. It is still a loss no matter how well you did in the first 3 quaters of the game. That's what happened to PS3.

You can't compare basketball game and console sales. for EXAMPLE: PS3 outsells 360 till November 6 million to 3 million and then till January next year 360 outsells PS3 3 million to 1 million. the PS3 would still be a winner.And this chart up here is WEEKLY sales of PS3

 

Unfortunately, Snake, your numbers are way off.  The PS3 in its entire first 8 months of 2008 only outsold the 360 by 1.2 million.  Then the 360 outsold the PS3 at the end of the year by nearly 2.2 million in order to outsell the PS3 almost a million in total yearly sales.  His basketball analogy was spot on.  The PS3 was not a sales winner regardless of how you compare it.  You should get used to knowing the facts, and not just rant with completely flawed logic or you won't last long here.



Batman...WTF? on 02 January 2009
Snake said:
saicho said:
Snake said:
theRepublic said:

Does this look like console of the year to you?

The holidays are the most important time of the year.  The Wii is up 80% year over year for the holidays.  The 360 is up 47%.  The PS3 is down 15%.

If you want to claim that as some sort of victory, go right ahead.  You would have to be delusional though.

What about Resistance 2, Little Big Planet,  Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, MGS4... And PS3 outsold 360  this year EVERYWHERE, ANYTIME but not in USA. And PS3 outsold 360 in USA in June. Only the last two months were bad for PS3. PS3 sales DESTROYED 360 sales in Japan. PS3 sales massacred 360 sales in Europe till November.Only thing good for 460 this year is price cut and Gears Of War 2. THAT IS ALL.

 

In the end, 360 still outsold PS3 and that's what counts.

In a basketball game, you can have a big lead at the end of third quater but one horrible 4th quater loses the game. It is still a loss no matter how well you did in the first 3 quaters of the game. That's what happened to PS3.

You can't compare basketball game and console sales. for EXAMPLE: PS3 outsells 360 till November 6 million to 3 million and then till January next year 360 outsells PS3 3 million to 1 million. the PS3 would still be a winner.And this chart up here is WEEKLY sales of PS3

 

Load of fail.

This was already said, but it needs to be repeated. You need facts. Not fanboy facts, but real facts, before claiming something as ridiculous as that.

 



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Grampy on 02 January 2009
leo-j said:
seece said:
leo-j said:
The wii is the console of the year, look at Hannah Montana Wii, it outsold little big planet, and most of the ps3 line up this year.

The public knows that Hannah montana is a better game than ALL OF THE PS3 LIBRARY COMBINED!

 Silly Leo J when will you realize more sales does not equal better game :P

  Im just passing along the message the wii fans on this site have said countless amount of times.

I'm afraid I will have to remind you that we are talking about a business here. Awards and reviews are a wonderful way to make developers feel good and their fans to feel validated but ultimately they are only truly relevant to the extent they help sales. Something can always be outstanding and still fail.

Beethoven is undoubtedly greater than Mötley Crüe, but Crüe Fest had them lined up in the rain to buy tickets while symphony orchestras pass the hat just to survive. The Maserati Gran Turismo is a wonderful but irrelevant car. At $700,000 each sales are measured in a few hundred/ yr for the US and the manufacturer has broken out the black ink one time in the last two decades. The Honda Civic is considerable less exotic but it is the best selling car in the US and Canada. Was this the year of the Maserati?

You can’t dictate taste, particularly your own. A husband may pitch a fit that his wife spent $50 each on tickets to the ballet but thought nothing about stuffing a few hundred in garters at the local tittybar Friday night. Perhaps the two of them might disagree on the relative value of the two types of terpsichorean talent.

The PS3 can be voted console of the year by every game site, blog and magazine; endorsed by Oprah, and get 100% 10+ Metacritic scores but if it doesn’t start making a profit and sell enough games to hang on to the game developers – then it will fail. And that’s just the way life is in the real world. Game sites can’t make it the year of the PS3, only gamers can and so they haven’t, at least not with their wallets and that is the only vote that really matters in the end.

 



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Snake on 03 January 2009
nightsurge said:
Snake said:
saicho said:
Snake said:
theRepublic said:

Does this look like console of the year to you?

The holidays are the most important time of the year.  The Wii is up 80% year over year for the holidays.  The 360 is up 47%.  The PS3 is down 15%.

If you want to claim that as some sort of victory, go right ahead.  You would have to be delusional though.

What about Resistance 2, Little Big Planet,  Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, MGS4... And PS3 outsold 360  this year EVERYWHERE, ANYTIME but not in USA. And PS3 outsold 360 in USA in June. Only the last two months were bad for PS3. PS3 sales DESTROYED 360 sales in Japan. PS3 sales massacred 360 sales in Europe till November.Only thing good for 460 this year is price cut and Gears Of War 2. THAT IS ALL.

 

In the end, 360 still outsold PS3 and that's what counts.

In a basketball game, you can have a big lead at the end of third quater but one horrible 4th quater loses the game. It is still a loss no matter how well you did in the first 3 quaters of the game. That's what happened to PS3.

You can't compare basketball game and console sales. for EXAMPLE: PS3 outsells 360 till November 6 million to 3 million and then till January next year 360 outsells PS3 3 million to 1 million. the PS3 would still be a winner.And this chart up here is WEEKLY sales of PS3

 

Unfortunately, Snake, your numbers are way off.  The PS3 in its entire first 8 months of 2008 only outsold the 360 by 1.2 million.  Then the 360 outsold the PS3 at the end of the year by nearly 2.2 million in order to outsell the PS3 almost a million in total yearly sales.  His basketball analogy was spot on.  The PS3 was not a sales winner regardless of how you compare it.  You should get used to knowing the facts, and not just rant with completely flawed logic or you won't last long here.

I was giving a false example, i know my numbers were false i didn't want to waste my time checking the real numbers, i spend 1 hour on this web site daily, i was just telling you can't compare sales and basketball game. And how about the link or source for that sales?

 

 



Snake on 03 January 2009
nightsurge said:
Snake said:
saicho said:
Snake said:
theRepublic said:

Does this look like console of the year to you?

The holidays are the most important time of the year.  The Wii is up 80% year over year for the holidays.  The 360 is up 47%.  The PS3 is down 15%.

If you want to claim that as some sort of victory, go right ahead.  You would have to be delusional though.

What about Resistance 2, Little Big Planet,  Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, MGS4... And PS3 outsold 360  this year EVERYWHERE, ANYTIME but not in USA. And PS3 outsold 360 in USA in June. Only the last two months were bad for PS3. PS3 sales DESTROYED 360 sales in Japan. PS3 sales massacred 360 sales in Europe till November.Only thing good for 460 this year is price cut and Gears Of War 2. THAT IS ALL.

 

In the end, 360 still outsold PS3 and that's what counts.

In a basketball game, you can have a big lead at the end of third quater but one horrible 4th quater loses the game. It is still a loss no matter how well you did in the first 3 quaters of the game. That's what happened to PS3.

You can't compare basketball game and console sales. for EXAMPLE: PS3 outsells 360 till November 6 million to 3 million and then till January next year 360 outsells PS3 3 million to 1 million. the PS3 would still be a winner.And this chart up here is WEEKLY sales of PS3

 

Unfortunately, Snake, your numbers are way off.  The PS3 in its entire first 8 months of 2008 only outsold the 360 by 1.2 million.  Then the 360 outsold the PS3 at the end of the year by nearly 2.2 million in order to outsell the PS3 almost a million in total yearly sales.  His basketball analogy was spot on.  The PS3 was not a sales winner regardless of how you compare it.  You should get used to knowing the facts, and not just rant with completely flawed logic or you won't last long here.

I was giving a false example, i know my numbers were false i didn't want to open another window and google the sales number in 2008, i was just telling you you can't compare console sales and basketball game. And how about link or source for those numbers you have posted? And comparing system which is on market for 3-4 years with system which is on market for 2 years in sales is kinda sad. why don't you guys compare PSP and 360 in sales?

 



Lolcislaw on 03 January 2009

Wow Sony fanboys do still actually believe that 2008 was a year of the PS3? There is so much naivity in this thread i cant even be asked to discuss it, 2008 was not a year of the PS3 period, 2009 and 2010 wont be as well, the Wii will sell more hardware and more software. And the Games? Why do people look all 24h hours a day at reviews instead of developing their own taste?

I just wonder why do Sony fans try to prove to everyone how good the PS3 is, are they justifing the purchase of their console constantly? Just enjoy the damn thing and stop trying to prove its greatness.



nightsurge on 03 January 2009
Snake said:
nightsurge said:
Snake said:
saicho said:
Snake said:
theRepublic said:

Does this look like console of the year to you?

The holidays are the most important time of the year.  The Wii is up 80% year over year for the holidays.  The 360 is up 47%.  The PS3 is down 15%.

If you want to claim that as some sort of victory, go right ahead.  You would have to be delusional though.

What about Resistance 2, Little Big Planet,  Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, MGS4... And PS3 outsold 360  this year EVERYWHERE, ANYTIME but not in USA. And PS3 outsold 360 in USA in June. Only the last two months were bad for PS3. PS3 sales DESTROYED 360 sales in Japan. PS3 sales massacred 360 sales in Europe till November.Only thing good for 460 this year is price cut and Gears Of War 2. THAT IS ALL.

 

In the end, 360 still outsold PS3 and that's what counts.

In a basketball game, you can have a big lead at the end of third quater but one horrible 4th quater loses the game. It is still a loss no matter how well you did in the first 3 quaters of the game. That's what happened to PS3.

You can't compare basketball game and console sales. for EXAMPLE: PS3 outsells 360 till November 6 million to 3 million and then till January next year 360 outsells PS3 3 million to 1 million. the PS3 would still be a winner.And this chart up here is WEEKLY sales of PS3

 

Unfortunately, Snake, your numbers are way off.  The PS3 in its entire first 8 months of 2008 only outsold the 360 by 1.2 million.  Then the 360 outsold the PS3 at the end of the year by nearly 2.2 million in order to outsell the PS3 almost a million in total yearly sales.  His basketball analogy was spot on.  The PS3 was not a sales winner regardless of how you compare it.  You should get used to knowing the facts, and not just rant with completely flawed logic or you won't last long here.

I was giving a false example, i know my numbers were false i didn't want to open another window and google the sales number in 2008, i was just telling you you can't compare console sales and basketball game. And how about link or source for those numbers you have posted? And comparing system which is on market for 3-4 years with system which is on market for 2 years in sales is kinda sad. why don't you guys compare PSP and 360 in sales?

 

Snake, I'm not sure if you realized this or not... you're new so I'll explain:  This website you are on right now reading this thread, tracks sales.  The numbers are from this very website.  Go to Chartz>Hardware Table, and set your parameters.

Also, he was not "comparing" console sales to basketball.  He was giving what is known as an analogy.  He was using the basketball example to say that:

winning 3 quarters in basketball and losing VERY BADLY in the 4th quarter leads to losing a basketball game just the same as winning 3 quarters of the year and losing VERY BADLY at the end of the year leads to losing the total yearly sales

The analogy fits perfectly.  And why would you give a "false example" in an argument???  Even if you didn't have 2 seconds to open up another page from this very website, you could have at least tried to give a "true example."

Should not the console that is newer and on it's 3rd year sell more?  That is usually the trend, so it seems the PS3 even failed to outsell the 360 in what is the PS3s "peak" year.



Snake on 06 January 2009
nightsurge said:
Snake said:
nightsurge said:
Snake said:
saicho said:
Snake said:
theRepublic said:

Does this look like console of the year to you?

The holidays are the most important time of the year.  The Wii is up 80% year over year for the holidays.  The 360 is up 47%.  The PS3 is down 15%.

If you want to claim that as some sort of victory, go right ahead.  You would have to be delusional though.

What about Resistance 2, Little Big Planet,  Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, MGS4... And PS3 outsold 360  this year EVERYWHERE, ANYTIME but not in USA. And PS3 outsold 360 in USA in June. Only the last two months were bad for PS3. PS3 sales DESTROYED 360 sales in Japan. PS3 sales massacred 360 sales in Europe till November.Only thing good for 460 this year is price cut and Gears Of War 2. THAT IS ALL.

 

In the end, 360 still outsold PS3 and that's what counts.

In a basketball game, you can have a big lead at the end of third quater but one horrible 4th quater loses the game. It is still a loss no matter how well you did in the first 3 quaters of the game. That's what happened to PS3.

You can't compare basketball game and console sales. for EXAMPLE: PS3 outsells 360 till November 6 million to 3 million and then till January next year 360 outsells PS3 3 million to 1 million. the PS3 would still be a winner.And this chart up here is WEEKLY sales of PS3

 

Unfortunately, Snake, your numbers are way off.  The PS3 in its entire first 8 months of 2008 only outsold the 360 by 1.2 million.  Then the 360 outsold the PS3 at the end of the year by nearly 2.2 million in order to outsell the PS3 almost a million in total yearly sales.  His basketball analogy was spot on.  The PS3 was not a sales winner regardless of how you compare it.  You should get used to knowing the facts, and not just rant with completely flawed logic or you won't last long here.

I was giving a false example, i know my numbers were false i didn't want to open another window and google the sales number in 2008, i was just telling you you can't compare console sales and basketball game. And how about link or source for those numbers you have posted? And comparing system which is on market for 3-4 years with system which is on market for 2 years in sales is kinda sad. why don't you guys compare PSP and 360 in sales?

 

Snake, I'm not sure if you realized this or not... you're new so I'll explain:  This website you are on right now reading this thread, tracks sales.  The numbers are from this very website.  Go to Chartz>Hardware Table, and set your parameters.

Also, he was not "comparing" console sales to basketball.  He was giving what is known as an analogy.  He was using the basketball example to say that:

winning 3 quarters in basketball and losing VERY BADLY in the 4th quarter leads to losing a basketball game just the same as winning 3 quarters of the year and losing VERY BADLY at the end of the year leads to losing the total yearly sales

The analogy fits perfectly.  And why would you give a "false example" in an argument???  Even if you didn't have 2 seconds to open up another page from this very website, you could have at least tried to give a "true example."

Should not the console that is newer and on it's 3rd year sell more?  That is usually the trend, so it seems the PS3 even failed to outsell the 360 in what is the PS3s "peak" year.

My internet is kinda slow lately so i didn't want to was 30 secnods (not 2) to open a new window. If you are winning 113:61 in last three quarters and you lose 61:15 in last quartet it would be 128:114. i wasn't talking about video game consoles i was talking about basketball. And PS3 is on market for 2 years. 2007-2009. 360 is on market for 4 years. 2005-2009. So people excpect 360 sales are 2 TIMES BIGGER THAN PS3 SALES. BUT THEY ARE NOT. PS3 sales are about 70% of 360 sales.And i don't care about worldwide. What is important to me that all my friends have PS3 and so do I. i am not gonna play games with some guy from Japan. i am gonna play it with my friends. PS3 is selling better in my city than 360 and that's wha tis important to me.