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Gnizmo said:

Slimebeast said:

Everyone knows that Japan first week sales account for rufly 2/3 of total sales in that region.

I want to know why you think WKC has a chance to sell over 700,000 copies in the West. It got only 29/40 on Famitsu, so the scores on Gamerankings will be terrible, guaranteed. Seriously - give me arguments what WKC has that ToV, LO, BD, LR, IU didn't? Marketing á la Lost Odyssey?

 Famistu gave SSBB a 40/40. They are hardly any kind of indication as to what western reviewers will give a game. As for what the game has, well I would say it has a much better development team behind it. Level 5 has gotten quite the cult following in recent years, and offers a very consistent experience. By all accounts it is similar to their other games, which have been recieved fairly well. Do you have a real arguement aganst it?

If anything the Fam 40/40 score on SSBB is another indication that Western reviewers are harder on Japanese games. Is there a single example where Famits has given a lower score to a JRPG than the score on Gamerankings?

I don't have any argument against WKC per se, but rather that I fail to see anything about it to justify it selling more than 500,000 copies tops in the West (which would be great since the X360 JRPGs usually seem to stop at 350,000 copies). Hype is near 0 on Western gaming sites.

Well, I dunno... FolkSoul (not same genre) maybe had better than perdicted sales on the PS3? So, maybe the strongest argument would be that all these JRPG hungry fans in the West that bought a PS3 for FF13 might flock to White Knight Chronicles.

 



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DMeisterJ said:
c0rd said:
dolemit3 said:

Because the Wii owners, unlike the PS3 owners don't care less for JRPGs. Mario games only for them.

Haven't you noticed why DMJ had to include the "HD" JRPG as a conditional?

Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors Square Enix 0.50m
Pokemon Batoru Reboryūshon Nintendo 0.31m
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World Namco Bandai 0.22m

WKC has yet to top any of these. It will overtake the Tales spinoff next week, but lifetime against Pokemon should be close. It doesn't have a chance at the Dragon Quest spinoff.

Big name JRPG's on the Wii will sell, period. Have we already forgotten the announcement that DQX is arriving on the Wii? edit: Forgot to mention MH3. Only Mario on the Wii, right?


OT: Sales are a little better than I expected, not bad. Still, the PS3 hasn't quite yet proven it can sell JRPG's better than the 360 worldwide, which was the argument (I thought) some of the "Xbots" claimed, one I agree with. As for people calling Square-Enix idiots for putting their games on the 360, I'm not sure what to think... if you're implying WKC showed the PS3 is a more viable JRPG platform, I suggest looking at the Wii's DQ spinoff, which opened at 310k first week over a year ago.

If you read the thread, I said HD because 360 owners said that out of the HD consoles, that the PS3 has not proven itself to sell JRPGs, while the 360 has.  I also explained this in another post, but apparently you lack reading comprehension skills.

I also said that Wii/DS/PSP own in JRPG sales.

That's fine, but the reason you included "HD" isn't all that important. The fact is, if you remove that conditional, it is no longer the best selling anything, which was my point.

Also, I have no idea why you or ShadowSoldier (who completely ignored the fact that I was only talking about Japan) feel compelled to give such vulgar responses. My post was mainly in response to dolemit3's "Only Mario games sell on Wii" comment. Apparently his argument made more sense than mine...

This is why I don't like dealing with PS3 fanboys, it's just emotion instead of logical arguments. I'll let someone else pick on ShadowSoldier's weak rebuttal, I'm done with this thread.



MontanaHatchet said:
Slimebeast said:
Riachu said:
Slimebeast said:
ShadowSoldier said:

Most Wii RPGs have failed to go the 1m mark while it seems that WKC is on its way


 

 

Anyone who thinks WKC will sell a million is delusional.

No, it isn't.  WKC already got a fifth of the way there in one week.  1 million in Japan alone is a pipe dream but 1 million worldwide? not so much

 

Everyone knows that Japan first week sales account for rufly 2/3 of total sales in that region.

I want to know why you think WKC has a chance to sell over 700,000 copies in the West. It got only 29/40 on Famitsu, so the scores on Gamerankings will be terrible, guaranteed. Seriously - give me arguments what WKC has that ToV, LO, BD, LR, IU didn't? Western marketing á la Lost Odyssey? 

I have seen no hype whatsoever for WKC in the recent 6 months (but then Im not sure if it's release is imminent in the West.. what are the release dates?). The game is almost dead on Gametrailers, Gamespot, IGN, Gamespy etc.

Yeah, everyone knows that a game's first week in Japan is 2/3 of its lifetime sales there. That's why there are hundreds of counterexamples to disprove that. Oh wait, that doesn't make any sense.

White Knight may not sell 700k copies combined with America and PAL, and maybe it will. Definitely possible, but it's tough to say. If American sales could surpass the Japanese sales (which happens with a lot of JRPGs) then it would have a good chance. Tales of Vesperia is the best scoring JRPG on the 360 (as to my knowledge) but look at its sales compared to lesser scoring games. Lost Odyssey sold tons more in the west with lower review scores. Lost Odyssey may still have a chance at a million, and were its Japanese sales higher, it would definitely reach that goal. If White Knight has lots of commercials in the west, it would sell well there.

As for hype on game sites, there was almost no hype for a lot of 360 JRPGs until a couple days or weeks before they came out in the west. You're certainly not going to see many Japanese gamers on English-speaking forums, and American/PAL gamers aren't going to hype themselves to hell for a game that doesn't even have an announced release date in their regions. Stop with the Sony hate. It's stale.

 

Okay, u have a few good points. But I hope you also can see the possibility that WKC actually could bomb in the West.

I replied to ShadowSoldier saying "it seems that WKC is on its way to 1 million" - and no matter if I dislike Sony I have a right to disagree with that and argue against it.



Slimebeast said:

If anything the Fam 40/40 score on SSBB is another indication that Western reviewers are harder on Japanese games. Is there a single example where Famits has given a lower score to a JRPG than the score on Gamerankings?

I don't have any argument against WKC per se, but rather that I fail to see anything about it to justify it selling more than 500,000 copies tops in the West (which would be great since the X360 JRPGs usually seem to stop at 350,000 copies). Hype is near 0 on Western gaming sites.

Well, I dunno... FolkSoul (not same genre) maybe had better than perdicted sales on the PS3? So, maybe the strongest argument would be that all these JRPG hungry fans in the West that bought a PS3 for FF13 might flock to White Knight Chronicles.

 

 Give me a database for their scores and I will gladly search through it and find a shining example. Haze got a 34/40 from Famitsu and we see how that ended up. But gamerankings score do not correlate very well to sales, so this is mostly just a moot point. The Xbox 360 RPGs are not a perfect analog for this game though. Europe is heavily inclined to buy more games for the PS3 for whatever reasons (as seen in a few of the multi-plats) and could easily help push it past the 350k barrier you impose. Last gen there were plenty of JRPGs that went well past that number as well, which makes me think it has more to do with the games released than it does the genre they belong to.



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GTAIV08 said:
how many people on this site even own a ps3 anyway? like 5? the rest ultra hardcore xbox fanboys. this site is run by xbox.

 

Someone help me please: Did this thread get even better than this? Cause I don't really feel like reading all 200+ posts, but maybe I missed something gold.



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Great, I can only imagine what the sales of FFXIII will be.



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dolemit3 said:

Because the Wii owners, unlike the PS3 owners don't care less for JRPGs. Mario games only for them.

Nevermind, I found it.

 



BengaBenga said:
GTAIV08 said:
how many people on this site even own a ps3 anyway? like 5? the rest ultra hardcore xbox fanboys. this site is run by xbox.

 

Someone help me please: Did this thread get even better than this? Cause I don't really feel like reading all 200+ posts, but maybe I missed something gold.

 No not really. There was a fun bit of back and forth between stickball and Naz but thats about it.



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MontanaHatchet said:

Tales of Vesperia is the best scoring JRPG on the 360 (as to my knowledge) but look at its sales compared to lesser scoring games. Lost Odyssey sold tons more in the west with lower review scores. Lost Odyssey may still have a chance at a million, and were its Japanese sales higher, it would definitely reach that goal. If White Knight has lots of commercials in the west, it would sell well there.

 

Lost Odissey had a great tv spot modelled after the gears 1 ad.





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MontanaHatchet said:
Slimebeast said:
Riachu said:
Slimebeast said:
ShadowSoldier said:

Most Wii RPGs have failed to go the 1m mark while it seems that WKC is on its way


 

 

Anyone who thinks WKC will sell a million is delusional.

No, it isn't. WKC already got a fifth of the way there in one week. 1 million in Japan alone is a pipe dream but 1 million worldwide? not so much

 

Everyone knows that Japan first week sales account for rufly 2/3 of total sales in that region.

I want to know why you think WKC has a chance to sell over 700,000 copies in the West. It got only 29/40 on Famitsu, so the scores on Gamerankings will be terrible, guaranteed. Seriously - give me arguments what WKC has that ToV, LO, BD, LR, IU didn't? Western marketing á la Lost Odyssey?

I have seen no hype whatsoever for WKC in the recent 6 months (but then Im not sure if it's release is imminent in the West.. what are the release dates?). The game is almost dead on Gametrailers, Gamespot, IGN, Gamespy etc.

Yeah, everyone knows that a game's first week in Japan is 2/3 of its lifetime sales there. That's why there are hundreds of counterexamples to disprove that. Oh wait, that doesn't make any sense.

White Knight may not sell 700k copies combined with America and PAL, and maybe it will. Definitely possible, but it's tough to say. If American sales could surpass the Japanese sales (which happens with a lot of JRPGs) then it would have a good chance. Tales of Vesperia is the best scoring JRPG on the 360 (as to my knowledge) but look at its sales compared to lesser scoring games. Lost Odyssey sold tons more in the west with lower review scores. Lost Odyssey may still have a chance at a million, and were its Japanese sales higher, it would definitely reach that goal. If White Knight has lots of commercials in the west, it would sell well there.

As for hype on game sites, there was almost no hype for a lot of 360 JRPGs until a couple days or weeks before they came out in the west. You're certainly not going to see many Japanese gamers on English-speaking forums, and American/PAL gamers aren't going to hype themselves to hell for a game that doesn't even have an announced release date in their regions. Stop with the Sony hate. It's stale.

 

FFXIII and Star Ocean The Last Hope being the exceptions along with Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey.  Gaming sites are giving FFXIII(not suprising) and SO4 plenty of press time.  Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey also got some press time before they came ouy.