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alfredofroylan said:
ocnkng said:
The worst part of the article was this - "Sony also is suffering from a lack of attractive titles that are exclusive to the PS3. Microsoft has hit the jackpot with two action-adventure game franchises, Halo and Gears of War" Can't believe these guys had to dig out Halo for justifying the false claim of the 360 having better exclusives.

They don't care about rankings, awards, forums or reviews. They just care about sales; Gears of War 2 is at 2.4 million copies just in the US acording to VG Chartz and Halo 3 is at 6.3 million copies. The best selling exclusive for the PS3 in America is MotorStrom with 1.85 million copies.

 

M$ has generated these sort of sales using hollywood blockbuster level marketing campaign running into millions of dollars. Sony does not have the money nor the resources to match them.

Yet at the same time games like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank and even Heavenly Sword have shown steady legs just by the virtue of being great games and word of mouth. I am sure the same is going to happen with Resistance 2 and LBP.

Once again I can understand if someone puts forward the logic of price and marketing being the factor for the PS3's troubles but it just rankles when ignorant people put forward the beaten-to-death argument of lack of games on the platform.



 

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Shadow)OS said:
outlawauron said:
Shadow)OS said:
"Ouch" is an understatement. That article is a very grim reality check to all those people still saying PS3 has a chance. And I still hear some people talking about a PS4...

I remember someone here saying a line something similar to "PS3 was the sacrificial lamb to Blu-Ray". I can't help but agree with that remark now.

Well Sony isn't KO'd yet, but I'll be damned if the ref isn't counting.

You seriously think that Sony is going to drop out of making game consoles?

 

At the current rate, yes.

I'm sure their investors aren't too pleased. PS3 has been nothing but an utter failure so far. Not a dime earned, billions lost, incredibly low expectations for the future.

People can keep telling themselves "Yeah! Sony will turn it around next year!", but I've heard that two years running now (onto our third). Lets say they actually have a surplus next year. What then? Scraps are a reason to celebrate? Profit doesn't equal profit until things break even and go beyond. Next year they *might* begin paying off their immense debts that the PS3 has given them thus far. And that's a big maybe. If you spend 10 dollars and earn a 10 cents, you've got $9.90 to make up.

All the big hitters this year that were supposed to "turn things around" have grossly underperformed. What killer apps does PS3 have for next year? Does anyone want to tell me that?

The journey to actually pay off the costs the PS3 will be very long and dragged out, and I have serious doubts that Sony will see enough return to actually break even from this fiasco.

Now are you telling me, that you expect a Sony PR rep to walk up to their thousands of investors amidst the collapsing company (don't forget that the entire company is in peril) and say "Hey, do you wanna start working on that PS4 guys?"

What I'd like to know is why people think that companies are some how immune from dropping out of the console business. It's a business like any other - if things aren't going well with no forseeable grace, get the hell out. Either Sony's board of directors do it themselves, or their investors grab their balls and drag them out.

Sony has their fingers in one too many rotten pies right now. Something has got to give.

 

That's not true, sunk costs say hello.   That's why MS is ecstatic now that the X360 is making a profit, even though they lost much more money on their gaming division than Sony ever did.

 

 



@Kyros: Oh, so it seems. How did i recall Sony selling its production to Samsung. Well, anyway, Samsung is the majority owner in the joint venture.

@ocnkng: The article is talking about system sellers. It mentions Halo 3 and Gears of War because the two titles were ones. So far PS3 has been lacking system sellers. PS3 is too expensive for the Singstar/Buzz audience, in multiplatform titles 360 has the advantage due to its price and there has been very few core titles from established franchises as exclusives that have had the potential to sell systems for the current price. I believe the biggest ones so far have been MGS4 and Everybodys Golf.
Sony has really been pushing the PS3 marketing, so the lack of marketing is hardly the reason for SW (especially potential system sellers) and HW performing badly.

@senseinobaka: Sony does have new console and new handheld in R&D (and "improvements" to existing ones). I doubt they are going to give up. Sony wants to get back its investments, so they propably reuse as much as possible for PS4 from PS3 and next gen Sony will have a lot better strategy than this gen.



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De85 said:
Shadow)OS said:

 

At the current rate, yes.

I'm sure their investors aren't too pleased. PS3 has been nothing but an utter failure so far. Not a dime earned, billions lost, incredibly low expectations for the future.

People can keep telling themselves "Yeah! Sony will turn it around next year!", but I've heard that two years running now (onto our third). Lets say they actually have a surplus next year. What then? Scraps are a reason to celebrate? Profit doesn't equal profit until things break even and go beyond. Next year they *might* begin paying off their immense debts that the PS3 has given them thus far. And that's a big maybe. If you spend 10 dollars and earn a 10 cents, you've got $9.90 to make up.

All the big hitters this year that were supposed to "turn things around" have grossly underperformed. What killer apps does PS3 have for next year? Does anyone want to tell me that?

The journey to actually pay off the costs the PS3 will be very long and dragged out, and I have serious doubts that Sony will see enough return to actually break even from this fiasco.

Now are you telling me, that you expect a Sony PR rep to walk up to their thousands of investors amidst the collapsing company (don't forget that the entire company is in peril) and say "Hey, do you wanna start working on that PS4 guys?"

What I'd like to know is why people think that companies are some how immune from dropping out of the console business. It's a business like any other - if things aren't going well with no forseeable grace, get the hell out. Either Sony's board of directors do it themselves, or their investors grab their balls and drag them out.

Sony has their fingers in one too many rotten pies right now. Something has got to give.

 

That's not true, sunk costs say hello.   That's why MS is ecstatic now that the X360 is making a profit, even though they lost much more money on their gaming division than Sony ever did.

 

 

You can't really compare MS and Sony directly. Microsoft is an extremely profitable company, not only by absolute numbers but also by profit margins. 20-30% as opposed to Sony's 1-5% margins (tending more to 1% lately).

Sunking oodles of cash is fine if your company is not in risk, but that has never been the case with Sony. For years Sony's CEO has been pledging to raise Sony's profit margins because of that. Maybe MS shareholders aren't too happy with the Xbox's past, but Sony's shareholders have much more reason to worry.

One thing which definitely makes past costs important is the decision to continue or not in a market. I'm not calling it either way, but you can bet that SCE's low total profit makes it harder to justify the development of a PS4 and PSP2. Especially when competing a company full of cash like MS.

 



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Viper1 said:
$4.23 billion in losses as of June 30th, 2008 and growing.

That is a debt that is highly unlikely to be recouped in this generation.

 

 According to the OP, its decreasing..

How can it be growing if sony recorded profit last quarter? And likely will this quarter?



 

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Viper1 said:
$4.23 billion in losses as of June 30th, 2008 and growing.

That is a debt that is highly unlikely to be recouped in this generation.

 

IMO PS3 could become the hugest financial flop in the history of VG industry.



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leo-j said:
Viper1 said:
$4.23 billion in losses as of June 30th, 2008 and growing.

That is a debt that is highly unlikely to be recouped in this generation.

 

 According to the OP, its decreasing..

How can it be growing if sony recorded profit last quarter? And likely will this quarter?

The economy and exchange rate got worse.



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leo-j said:
Viper1 said:
$4.23 billion in losses as of June 30th, 2008 and growing.

That is a debt that is highly unlikely to be recouped in this generation.

 

 According to the OP, its decreasing..

How can it be growing if sony recorded profit last quarter? And likely will this quarter?

Why will they likely have a profit this quarter? Are you paying any attention to PS2 sales and the dollar/euro which make up the bulk of SCE's revenue?

 



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leo-j said:
Viper1 said:
$4.23 billion in losses as of June 30th, 2008 and growing.

That is a debt that is highly unlikely to be recouped in this generation.

 

 According to the OP, its decreasing..

How can it be growing if sony recorded profit last quarter? And likely will this quarter?

I think last known quarter SCE made a loss that erased the little profit they made the first quarter ( of the FY ). 

 



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