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stupid, the upgrade between this and blu-ray is so small.

Not even worth the effort.

What I see happening is all these companies will try to flood their formats in to quickly, meaning consumers will get sick of this BS, and end up sticking with DVD as it is cheaper, and because if they are poor they can at least pirate it.



 

 

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Bboid said:
arsenicazure said:
Japan and south korea already have amazingly fast and high broadband penetration-- you can find 1Gbps lines in japan for under 60 bucks:>

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/27/1757211&from=rss

Thats around 100MB/sec which means a 10Gb game should take approx 3-5 mins tops to download.

 

 

Localized regions of geographically small countries is not a convincing argument. These countries also happen to hard the largest tech infrastructure budgets in the world since they are also home to a few of the largest tech companies in the world.  Find me cheap broadband in Swaziland.

sure.. if you can list how many blu ray players swaziland has...

 

BTW, JAPAN is the 2nd largest economy in the world. SKorea is 14th..above australia, just below India and Mexico. So these are not small localised regions.

 

swaziland is 147... pick better examples next time to state ur point

 



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owner of : atari 2600, commodore 64, NES,gameboy,atari lynx, genesis, saturn,neogeo,DC,PS2,GC,X360, Wii

5 THINGS I'd like to see before i knock out:

a. a AAA 3D sonic title

b. a nintendo developed game that has a "M rating"

c. redesgined PS controller

d. SEGA back in the console business

e. M$ out of the OS business

sieanr said:
Bboid said:
arsenicazure said:
Japan and south korea already have amazingly fast and high broadband penetration-- you can find 1Gbps lines in japan for under 60 bucks:>

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/27/1757211&from=rss

Thats around 100MB/sec which means a 10Gb game should take approx 3-5 mins tops to download.

Localized regions of geographically small countries is not a convincing argument. These countries also happen to hard the largest tech infrastructure budgets in the world since they are also home to a few of the largest tech companies in the world.  Find me cheap broadband in Swaziland.

Yeah, swaziland has seen amazing bluray sales...

The developed world is the target market for BR, which just so happens to be the same market with high speed internet.

 

You missed the point.  The point is digital distribution will never take over the whole market because an incredibly small portion of the developed market has a highspeed internet infrastructure to support large file transfers.  This small portion of the developed world that can support speeds around 100mb/sec is smaller than the portion of the undeveloped world that can even afford the luxury of even having this content.  A hard product will always be a viable medium for this reason and will always share the market with digital distribution.  Anyone that thinks 1 or the other will reign supreme is not considering the real world constraints.  BR penetrates more than the current target market, as it can support the under-developed world for many years to come.  DD for similar data size/material has an incredibly small market right now though it will conitnue to see growing market share.  Despite their growing market share they still will not penetrate the under-developed world and even much of the developed world for a very long time.  It is very doubtful that the global infrastructure in the developed markets is completely overhauled and upgraded to support these size data transfers in the next 25 years.  It will always remain in tightly localized markets within these developed nations.



arsenicazure said:
Bboid said:
arsenicazure said:
Japan and south korea already have amazingly fast and high broadband penetration-- you can find 1Gbps lines in japan for under 60 bucks:>

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/27/1757211&from=rss

Thats around 100MB/sec which means a 10Gb game should take approx 3-5 mins tops to download.

 

 

Localized regions of geographically small countries is not a convincing argument. These countries also happen to hard the largest tech infrastructure budgets in the world since they are also home to a few of the largest tech companies in the world.  Find me cheap broadband in Swaziland.

sure.. if you can list how many blu ray players swaziland has...

 

BTW, JAPAN is the 2nd largest economy in the world. SKorea is 14th..above australia, just below India and Mexico. So these are not small localised regions.

 

swaziland is 147... pick better examples next time to state ur point

 

 

The speeds you are citing are not widespread in availability across Japan and South Korea.  The available regionS for these transfer speeds WITHIN THESE COUNTRIES  ARE SMALL AND LOCALIZED.



Untamoi said:
Capulous said:
How many companies have contracts and how long are they for? What exactly do these contracts say and what are the escape clauses written into them?

I am looking at the big picture; hence the statement "if all the costs of the new format is still less than what blu-ray cost, I cannot see why a company would remain with blu-ray." Companies are looking to save money, especially in the current economy; why would companies remain with blu-ray if the overall cost of the new format is less?

Sony pictures and their supporters? Well, Sony supported betamax look what happened to that.

 

They are much more interested in sales than savings. Unless movies sell about as much on new format then moving there is idiotic business move. They won't even consider publishing until there are at least 30-40 million players in homes.

If these players cost similar to current DVD players and the cost of the movies are lower than that of their blu-ray counterparts, why would they sell any less than blu-ray.  The company claims that the costs are along the lines of current DVDs, if it is actually released at prices that are close to current DVDs who would chose blu-ray over it.  It has more space, better protection, and is cheaper to produce.  If the production cost is less and they can sell it for around the current price of blu-ray movies, that would lead to a higher profit margin.

Companies will do their studies and will make their determinations.  If they can cut costs and make a higher profit margin, they will definitely look into it.  Blu-ray and/or HD DVDs were being published by many of the major motion picture studios well before it hit anywhere near 30-40 million players.  Are there even 30 million blu-ray players in homes now?

 



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Bboid said:

arsenicazure said:
Bboid said:
arsenicazure said:
Japan and south korea already have amazingly fast and high broadband penetration-- you can find 1Gbps lines in japan for under 60 bucks:>

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/27/1757211&from=rss

Thats around 100MB/sec which means a 10Gb game should take approx 3-5 mins tops to download.

 

 

Localized regions of geographically small countries is not a convincing argument. These countries also happen to hard the largest tech infrastructure budgets in the world since they are also home to a few of the largest tech companies in the world.  Find me cheap broadband in Swaziland.

sure.. if you can list how many blu ray players swaziland has...

 

BTW, JAPAN is the 2nd largest economy in the world. SKorea is 14th..above australia, just below India and Mexico. So these are not small localised regions.

 

swaziland is 147... pick better examples next time to state ur point

 

 

The speeds you are citing are not widespread in availability across Japan and South Korea.  The available regionS for these transfer speeds WITHIN THESE COUNTRIES  ARE SMALL AND LOCALIZED.

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0711/

Japanese Broadband World's Fastest

Japan, France, Korea, Sweden, and New Zealand led all countries surveyed in advertised broadband download speeds (see Figure 1). Japan led all countries with an advertised 93,693 Mbits per second speed, followed by France at 44,157 Mb/s, Korea at 43,301 Mb/s, Sweden 21,423 Mb/s, and New Zealand at 13,595 Mb/s broadband speed. The UK came in 12th at 10,624 Mb/s while the US came in at 14th at 8,860 Mb/sec.

 

yes japan is doing "horribly slow"..

here is another its from july 2007:

http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/07/17/japanese_have_the_best_broadba.html

Not content with getting most of the cool gadgets first, Japanese folk are also getting the best broadband.

According to the new Communications Outlook 2007 report from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Japanese broadband users are getting 100Mbps lines – for both uploads and downloads – thanks to its fibre optic network infrastructure. That’s 10 times faster than the average global broadband speed, the OECD claimed.

Even more annoying is that Japanese surfers are also paying the cheapest ‘per megabit’ rate too at around 11p. In contrast, Turkey has the most expensive per megabit rate at a staggering £40. The cheapest UK rate is £1.80, while the cheapest US rate is a smidgen lower at £1.60. Whatever about speed, UK broadband still continues to annoy lots of customers.

Other countries experiencing the benefits of super-fast fibre optic-based broadband are Sweden, Finland and Korea. The fastest broadband you can get here – and only from a few players – is ADSL2+, which has a theoretical top speed of 24Mbps. Theoretical, ok?

or even the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7098992.stm



Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.

owner of : atari 2600, commodore 64, NES,gameboy,atari lynx, genesis, saturn,neogeo,DC,PS2,GC,X360, Wii

5 THINGS I'd like to see before i knock out:

a. a AAA 3D sonic title

b. a nintendo developed game that has a "M rating"

c. redesgined PS controller

d. SEGA back in the console business

e. M$ out of the OS business

Simply question which big hardware and media companies are supporting it ?

Becouse technology without content is pointless.



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A lot of people are thinking this is totally ridiculous and impossible (this new disc to compete with BD), but a lot of people also thought this way about DSi. I'm not saying this will surely happen, but there's a possibility.
One big problem is that BD has some time on the market, and this new disc format is late.



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Time will tell, but studios aren't going to be happy about yet another format to support, so I'm not sure how this will succeed.



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arsenicazure said:

 

 

Bboid said:

arsenicazure said:
Bboid said:
arsenicazure said:
Japan and south korea already have amazingly fast and high broadband penetration-- you can find 1Gbps lines in japan for under 60 bucks:>

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/27/1757211&from=rss

Thats around 100MB/sec which means a 10Gb game should take approx 3-5 mins tops to download.

 

 

Localized regions of geographically small countries is not a convincing argument. These countries also happen to hard the largest tech infrastructure budgets in the world since they are also home to a few of the largest tech companies in the world.  Find me cheap broadband in Swaziland.

sure.. if you can list how many blu ray players swaziland has...

 

BTW, JAPAN is the 2nd largest economy in the world. SKorea is 14th..above australia, just below India and Mexico. So these are not small localised regions.

 

swaziland is 147... pick better examples next time to state ur point

 

 

The speeds you are citing are not widespread in availability across Japan and South Korea.  The available regionS for these transfer speeds WITHIN THESE COUNTRIES  ARE SMALL AND LOCALIZED.

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0711/

Japanese Broadband World's Fastest

Japan, France, Korea, Sweden, and New Zealand led all countries surveyed in advertised broadband download speeds (see Figure 1). Japan led all countries with an advertised 93,693 Mbits per second speed, followed by France at 44,157 Mb/s, Korea at 43,301 Mb/s, Sweden 21,423 Mb/s, and New Zealand at 13,595 Mb/s broadband speed. The UK came in 12th at 10,624 Mb/s while the US came in at 14th at 8,860 Mb/sec.

 

yes japan is doing "horribly slow"..

here is another its from july 2007:

http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/07/17/japanese_have_the_best_broadba.html

Not content with getting most of the cool gadgets first, Japanese folk are also getting the best broadband.

According to the new Communications Outlook 2007 report from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Japanese broadband users are getting 100Mbps lines – for both uploads and downloads – thanks to its fibre optic network infrastructure. That’s 10 times faster than the average global broadband speed, the OECD claimed.

Even more annoying is that Japanese surfers are also paying the cheapest ‘per megabit’ rate too at around 11p. In contrast, Turkey has the most expensive per megabit rate at a staggering £40. The cheapest UK rate is £1.80, while the cheapest US rate is a smidgen lower at £1.60. Whatever about speed, UK broadband still continues to annoy lots of customers.

Other countries experiencing the benefits of super-fast fibre optic-based broadband are Sweden, Finland and Korea. The fastest broadband you can get here – and only from a few players – is ADSL2+, which has a theoretical top speed of 24Mbps. Theoretical, ok?

or even the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7098992.stm

 

Average advertised broadband speeds does not mean that 1) those advertisements are accurate as to what the customer is actually getting and 2) is not representative of how many people actually have broadband of that speed or have broadband at all.  So many ways that diagram is horribly inaccurate it isn't even funny.  Since your other data cites speedtest.net, I suggest you look through the data they have compiled in a somewhat accurate manner and conviently provide on that site.

Japan:

http://speedtest.net/global.php?continent=4&country=78

R. Korea:

http://speedtest.net/global.php?continent=4&country=89

Swaziland:

http://speedtest.net/global.php?continent=5&country=211

edit: I must note I am glad i do not live in Swaziland. They don't have any internets.  They should head on out Californi way.