I love LBP i cant wait to own it

 Really? Cuz I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the game allows you to make, as well as so much more. I think if you go online with the game instead of making up pointless evidence you'll see thousands apon thousands of platforming levels made by users. Wow, really? This game lets you do that?

Was this game advertised as a "Create a Platformer" game? Yes. Is it a create a platformer game? Yes. Does it let you make platformers? Yes, and so much more. Does it do this with a particular style giving you homemade real world type materials to do this and has it always been advertised as so? Yes. Also, you ARE only limited by your imagination AND the ammount of work you put into it. Like I've said, you can make anywell you damn well please if your not lazy. This game doesn't grant you the powers of God.

You can go back and watch any video from pre-release and when they are making a level you can see just that. Sackboy constructs everything in a homemade fasion using homemade clothes and tools. It has always been shown exactly as it is. If you can't comprehend this, then there is no hope for you at all. Your just delusional. But hey, if this game isn't what you want, don't play it and we'll all be the happier for it. But this game is exactly what it has always been shown and advertised as.

Hey i'll still play it.  It just isn't what it was advertised, and your the delusional one. 

I've watched the trailers a LOT actually... and nothing will really surprise me... since i've done it... and more before... there are always work arounds, the problem is when key fundamentals are left out so you can charge more later.

The point is... it breaks many rules that games of the genre had.... only to suck more money from people.

It's as if you got a FPS that suddenly charged you to be able to pick up opponents weapons. (Screw you Soldier Front.)

You said so yourself that you don't have this game yet and haven't played it, and yet you talk like you know everything about this game. You can not buy the MGS pack and absolutely nothing will change for you, it's the exact same game you had before. All the MGS pack does is PRE-make some items that would otherwise take a lot of skill and time to make yourself, but hey, you can still make it yourself just like before. Other then that, you pay for the MGS levels. I did this because, obviously, I'm a huge MGS fan. I bought the costumes too. But had I not, the game would have still been the exact same, hell I could have made the costumes myself if I wanted to (there's a user who has self made 52 costumes mimicking super heroes, video game characters, etc. and is constatnly making new ones) but I chose to buy them. It's completely optional and you lose nothing you would have had if you choose not to buy it. Make it yourself if you want to complain. Also, I'm sure Konami is getting money from the MGS levels, I don't think MM owns the MGS license. So, in the end, you have to pay for new MM levels based off of properties who will get royalties as well as some pre-made items to sweeten the deal. But I promise you anything that disc in that case contains the exact same information giving you the exact same tools and possiblities as it always has. Hell, if MM wanted to they could have forced you to buy the pack to even play the user made levels with the gun, but no, they give it to you to play with too for free!

There are new triggers yes?  That's why Vagabond says.

Triggers = the stuff that makes the games work well

Aka the main tool of any creation game.

This is stuff that should be fully be in any creation game.

The rest of the crap i could really care less about.  I've got no problem with charging for that shit.

The actual triggers though.  That's just stupid.

Triggers in a create a level platformer are like... the status screen of an RPG or something.

I should have to pay money to see how much more expierence i need to get to the next level.

The only trigger in the pack (someone already said this by the way) is a trigger that reads the bullets from the gun. You set a number of paint balls to destroy something basically. That's it. Other then that, you get the gun. The only other things you get are stickers.

If you wanted to, I'm sure you could have self made this trigger as well as the gun. Although, I'm no engineer to figure it out.

Oh, I thought we were all talking about the same thing....lol Sorry.

I don't know anything about that matter, so I can't comment. I'm not one for legal stuff, and I don't know if Sony pressured MM into it due to fear of lawsuits or complaints or what. Maybe after some companies complained Sony feared losing relations with a publisher so had them taken off. Idk, like I said, I don't know how much of the legal world works and I won't claim to. lol

@ kasz: Plenty of levels around without any kind of "trigger" and they are a joy to play. Point invalid :)

Besides, they've just created something new and offered it to the players.

It's not as if they withheld certain parts of the game and then offered it as download (unlike what some other games are doing somewhat).

It's like having a lousy story and then bringing out additional story parts in an RPG just for it to make sense.  this isn't the case with this expansion.

new levels, new prizes, new trophies and an additional tool to create new levels with.  It's like an expansion pack. 

Consider an expansion pack for any C&C game.  They come out quite a while after the game, they add new units, and they then withhold players who do not buy it from being able to enjoy them. 

LBP expansion = new game mechanics given, everyone can play them even though they haven't bought them, they just can't "use" them in their own level creation, in faster bursts and of a high level. 

Yet you complain?

It's never good enough for some people

To actually get the most out of creation though you basically need triggers in an editor to do anything creative.

Sure someone can make an easy level that has some enjoyment... but when your talking to people who actually care about creating... and creating is where the fun lies, not playing...

that's where the enjoyment lies.  Making new and complex ways to make levels and tackle problems.

There was no pre-made gun before, so why would there have been a pre-made trigger for gun shots? lol

If you wanted to make a gun you could also make the trigger. That's if you cared enough. Most people and I didn't so we got them pre-made. But if you want to make something you can even share it with people. I've seen many tanks, bosses, enemies, etc. shared with people through prizes for beating their levels. If you want to make an even better gun with an entirely new trigger, go for it, you can. And share it to boot.

MM gave you tools to make it yourself. That's still on the table. You can buy it, create it yourself, or just pout because you don't want it either way.