I was a bit sharp-tongued about the Wii.  I don't hate it, but I was disappointed that Nintendo put most of it's effort into the Wii-mote and glossed over the graphics.  The price tag bugged me, too.  From day one, they were making a profit (and people criticize MS and Sony for being greedy, even though they are losing money on the hardware).  But hey, what ever the market will bear.  At least the Wii comes with a game.

Regarding Nintendo bowing out of consoles, I'm not saying it WILL or MUST happen, only that it's a possibility.  Nintendo made certain choices with the Wii, choices I believe reduce its staying power.  It was a big gamble, but obviously it's working for them, at least for the time being.  If it stops working, they can't very well do more of the same for the next console.  And if they decide they don't want to put money and effort into decent graphics, only to lose money on hardware, they might turn to a business model that makes more sense for them, like handheld-only.

I know but it is fun to speculate and argue :D

I don't think I have said once that I don't belive that PS3 will beat xbox360 WW. The only thing I am argue against is that it magicaly should get those huge sales it need to beat the 360 before end of 2008 with the help of two games, MGS4 and GTA4, that is clearly aimed for the american market more than the Japanese. Some people in this thread has mention that PS3 needs to sell 200k/week to overtake 360 during 2008. I have hard to see that happening without selling well in all markets and MGS4 + GTA4 wont give that edge in Japan.

In USA we have just recently seen PS3 selling more than 360 and that is after the price cut. Now we have a price cut on the 360, so this week should be intressting if 360 sells more than PS3 after that price drop (in USA). If that is the case PS3 really needs PAL and Japan.

My point is that saying that it is clearly so that PS3 will pass 360 WW during 2008 seems a little bit optimistic. I would also like to say that I belive that PS3 never will pass 360 in USA, if not microsoft kills of xbox360 as they did with xbox.

@ robjoh

 Well I was discussing the possibility that PS3 passed xbox360 WW before end of 2008. FF will as earliest hit Japan in the end of 2008 so I don't think it will help. Of course most possible it will move a couple of 100k at least in Japan and greatly help PS3 pass xbox360 in early 2009.

PS3 beating Xbox360 WW ??

I think price drop + GT5 = in July 2008 PS3 will be 2nd.

Since begining 2007 Xbox360 sales are pretty close to PS3 sales.
It means that PS3, without game and with a higer price 600$ is EGUAL to Xbox360.

Well, people will just wait for price drop, GTA4 / Killzone2 (gear of war effect) / MGS4 = GG.

 perfect plan for world domination...you forgot

*Dr. Evil Laugh* 

muhahahaha

how many time we'll have to say it.... it's mathematically improbable if not impossible.... that prediction is about as probable as saying that europe is going to attack USA in 2008, it's not impossible but everybody with a bit of logic would say it's highly improbable..... and you don't have to be pro XB or pro PS3 to be able to find that out

admiting the XB is not selling a single unit until july 2008 the PS3 should sell 500 000 unit a month to just come back close to the XB starting now.... it's not happening.... 

If we assume that the xbox360 sales is constant with last week and isn't getting any boost by the price cut, madden, GTA4, Halo3 nor any holiday season boost. PS3 needs to avarage 176k a week to beat xbox360 by July.

If all the things I stated above will move another million units (not impossible last year nov/dec in USA moved 1.5 millions). PS3 needs to avarage 195k/week.

EDIT: Those numbers are both pretty nice against PS3 actualy because the xbox360 numbers are for a slow period were no new killer apps nor the effect from the price cut (for the xbox360) as been seen.

Now that is Wii numbers we are talking about for a consol that might cost 400 USD with your price drop that must come pretty soon.

So far PS3 has an avarage:

In Japan: 30k

America: 50k

Others: 62k (remove the great launch 500k in one week and we have 40k)

So a weekly avarage between 120-142k are you saying that we magicaly will have an increase of 60k weekly meanwhile xbox360 wont get any increase at all?

EDIT2: Just looking at the Japan numbers or the America numbers should get yourself to ask how possible this is. 30k is what PS3 get in Japan when it gets an killer app, not many left for this autumm, if the PS3 drops down to 15k, the holiday season in Japan needs to give a huge boost

50k in USA is what PS3 reached the week after the price drop since then it has gone down each week, now it is on 38k, if that continue down and xbox360 goes up next week (because of price drop) then we are in an even worse situation).

So in reality we might actualy talk about an increase of 100k/week. Do you think that is liekly because of GT5?

EDIT3:

xbox360 will then have sold 13.2 - 14.2 millions units.

that website should see with some casino in vegas if they can put up a betting system with money.... that way I could finance my video game expenses :) :P