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Squilliam on 12 December 2008
ManusJustus said:
donathos said:

Look: loving graphics is easy.  We all have eyes, and in order to use them, you just have to keep them open.  Graphics are just one part of an overall game experience.  I believe that graphics are as important as they are to some because graphics whores are unable to appreciate other parts of gameplay.  They're the same people who can't stand foreign films due to subtitles, or older films with sub-par special effects by today's standards, or usually books at all.  They're the ones who never get to know what a woman's like because they can't see beyond her cup-size.  Their minds just aren't sophisticated enough to allow them to get past the glaringly obvious and superficial.

Graphics Matter!

This is coming from a guy who still plays Civilization I, thats old school.  Seems contradictory, doesnt it?  Well it isn't, because when I am looking for a gaming experience that involves strategy, puzzles, some RPGs or basically games that make me think, I am not looking for graphics as much as I am looking for gameplay. 

However, when it comes to FPS games that are suppose to put me in the shoes of a World War II soldier, the graphics need to be realistic.

Nutter! Don't you realize that the cultural boundaries are prettier in Civ IV? I bet Civ I couldn't even render pretty cultural boundaries in its game engine. Actually I find Civ IV to be the best, because its graphics are better than Civ III! Jk, I find that the even numbered series are really just perfecting the gameplay elements introduced in the odd numbered games. So Civ II for me is just a better Civ I and Civ IV is just a better Civ III.

 



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noname2200 on 12 December 2008
Squilliam said:

Nutter! Don't you realize that the cultural boundaries are prettier in Civ IV? I bet Civ I couldn't even render pretty cultural boundaries in its game engine. Actually I find Civ IV to be the best, because its graphics are better than Civ III! Jk, I find that the even numbered series are really just perfecting the gameplay elements introduced in the odd numbered games. So Civ II for me is just a better Civ I and Civ IV is just a better Civ III.

 

We're hijacking here, but I prefer IV to the others, after Beyond the Sword came out. Before that, though, II was king.

@soriku: sometime in November. He was vague on the details.

 



Chrizum on 12 December 2008
Soriku said:

When did DMJ sell his Wii?

About 2 weeks after he bought one.

Yeah, I know.



Avinash_Tyagi on 12 December 2008

another long DMJ thread?

People sure love to hate the guy :p



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Squilliam on 12 December 2008
noname2200 said:
Squilliam said:
 

Nutter! Don't you realize that the cultural boundaries are prettier in Civ IV? I bet Civ I couldn't even render pretty cultural boundaries in its game engine. Actually I find Civ IV to be the best, because its graphics are better than Civ III! Jk, I find that the even numbered series are really just perfecting the gameplay elements introduced in the odd numbered games. So Civ II for me is just a better Civ I and Civ IV is just a better Civ III.

 

We're hijacking here, but I prefer IV to the others, after Beyond the Sword came out. Before that, though, II was king.

@soriku: sometime in November. He was vague on the details.

 

Yeah, beyond the sword really made me play the game! I didin't like how the game becomes so difficult to win when you try to expand by conquest at first, so it really means you have to use diplomacy and subterfuge. The games harder but im playing at Monarch level right now because it really entices me to try new things to pull out a victory. You have to be proactive, unlike a lot of turn based games where you can mindlessly click move, attack, build, end turn. That Apostolic palace is probably the single biggest addition to the game. The diplomatic options it gives you are INSANE.

 



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noname2200 on 12 December 2008
Soriku said:

Link to where he said he sold it?

It's on my wall somewhere. He probably talked about it on a thread too. Meh.

@Squillam: Tell me about it! Suddenly, the AI's willing to wheel and deal, and if you piss off your neighbors they'll act as one against you (or against each other, if you play it right...). I know there are probably games with better AI out there, but I'm still damned impressed, even after all this time. And it's always fun hamstringing (or saving) factions using the Palace.

If only Total War hired BtS' AI team...

 



badgenome on 12 December 2008
noname2200 said:
Soriku said:

Link to where he said he sold it?

It's on my wall somewhere. He probably talked about it on a thread too. Meh.

@Squillam: Tell me about it! Suddenly, the AI's willing to wheel and deal, and if you piss off your neighbors they'll act as one against you (or against each other, if you play it right...). I know there are probably games with better AI out there, but I'm still damned impressed, even after all this time. And it's always fun hamstringing (or saving) factions using the Palace.

If only Total War hired BtS' AI team...

 

Oh, Lordy. This. To the max.

Sorry to further derail the thread.



Squilliam on 12 December 2008
noname2200 said:
Soriku said:

Link to where he said he sold it?

It's on my wall somewhere. He probably talked about it on a thread too. Meh.

@Squillam: Tell me about it! Suddenly, the AI's willing to wheel and deal, and if you piss off your neighbors they'll act as one against you (or against each other, if you play it right...). I know there are probably games with better AI out there, but I'm still damned impressed, even after all this time. And it's always fun hamstringing (or saving) factions using the Palace.

If only Total War hired BtS' AI team...

 

Its not about having a good ai, its about having a fun ai.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/gdc-soren-johnsonatildecentacirc

Thats a writeup of his presentation, the actual notes are floating around the net. actual found them

http://www.designer-notes.com/PlayingToLose.zip

Its a good read if anyones interested.

 



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noname2200 on 12 December 2008
Squilliam said:

Its not about having a good ai, its about having a fun ai.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/gdc-soren-johnsonatildecentacirc

Thats a writeup of his presentation, the actual notes are floating around the net. actual found them

http://www.designer-notes.com/PlayingToLose.zip

Its a good read if anyones interested.

 

Oh, I am.

If y'all will excuse me, I'll be engrossed for a while. Thanks!

 



bugrimmar on 12 December 2008

there's no question about it. wii is 95% shovelware.