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WarmachineX on 12 December 2008
kowenicki said:
@ kbg29 That last paragraph is wishful thinking at best and just plain wrong at worst.

"SCE is now stable"... really? Sony dont even have any plans for a PSP2 (they said so this week) and "very competitive" is not a phrase anyone could sensibly use to describe the PS3 from now on.

 

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c0rd on 12 December 2008
GTAIV08 said:

some people forget how fast things can change, back in the ps2 days, did people thing the wii would even outsell the ps3 for 1 week? did anyone last year think final fantasy was going to be on xbox? last year did people think the ps3 would outsell the 360 in america for over half the year in 2008? did anyone ever think the 360 could sell over 5k in japan for over 4 weeks? right now do people think the ps3 can outsell the 360 ever again in america? right now people are thinking no just like to all the other things i mentioned. this is just the beginning and microsoft have a,ong way to go to beat sony, nintendo have already done it but do microsoft have what it takes to go all the way? im not talking just outselling it for 2 months, how about a whole year? it needs to do that to stand a chance, especially now thats it at the "sweet" price.

Once that $599 bombshell went off, I'm quite sure many people were able to come to that conclusion.

I've only began looking at these sales recently (within the year), but personally I never denied the possibility of the 360 outperforming the PS3. However, I've maintained that this holiday season was crucial for 2nd place finish - if the PS3 could hang on, 2nd place may be on the horizon. If it's outsold nearly 2-1 like it is now, things won't be looking too good...

Now, I wouldn't go so far to say the PS3 is destined for 3rd with that alone. However, with the recession / currencies hurting Sony as much as it has, they don't look prepared for the price cuts everybody wishes for. On the other hand, Microsoft wants to keep their lead, and they have the money to make it happen.



KBG29 on 12 December 2008
kowenicki said:
@ kbg29 That last paragraph is wishful thinking at best and just plain wrong at worst.

"SCE is now stable"... really? Sony dont even have any plans for a PSP2 (they said so this week) and "very competitive" is not a phrase anyone could sensibly use to describe the PS3 from now on.


Yes SCE is now stable. They have forced the division to become stable, and that is why we have not seen a price cut this holiday, and we won't see one tell well into next year.

I never said anything about PSP 2 in the next year, I only refered to it as the next gen. The PSP has a ton of room left to grow, and next year will be one of, if not the best year the platform has ever seen. Now I don't want to go saying these things are fact, but the addition of trophies, the video and music store native to the system, greater focus on PSOne releases, and all games coming to PSN day and date with their UMD release are all things that have been mentioned this year. That along with better PS3 to PSP conevtivity, and another revision adding in much needed features like built in storage, and possibly 3G could easly get momentum behind the system.

Very competitive makes no sense at the moment. After the holiday buzz dies down, and some very big suprises at CES the Playstation brand will be in a very good situation. With the right services, and consumer awarness PS3 can be profitable, and competitive at the current price point. You will see what I am talking about soon enough.

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Cypher1980 on 12 December 2008

Just How Did Sony topple its Empire ?

A pinch of arrogance
A teaspoon of complacency
A handful of poor design decisions
An eye watering ticket price
A lack of top titles for the first eighteen months
A liberal sprinkling of broken promises and Developer alienation.
Cook for 10 years and voila

One Dog of a console and a ruined balance sheet !



BengaBenga on 12 December 2008
KillerMan said:
Simply the price. Graphic capabilities between Wii and X360 with launch price 249-299€/$ and PS3 would be leading this generation.

 

And be filing for bankruptcy or no BluRay domination. 



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rubido on 12 December 2008
GTAIV08 said:

some people forget how fast things can change, back in the ps2 days, did people thing the wii would even outsell the ps3 for 1 week? did anyone last year think final fantasy was going to be on xbox? last year did people think the ps3 would outsell the 360 in america for over half the year in 2008? did anyone ever think the 360 could sell over 5k in japan for over 4 weeks? right now do people think the ps3 can outsell the 360 ever again in america? right now people are thinking no just like to all the other things i mentioned. this is just the beginning and microsoft have a,ong way to go to beat sony, nintendo have already done it but do microsoft have what it takes to go all the way? im not talking just outselling it for 2 months, how about a whole year? it needs to do that to stand a chance, especially now thats it at the "sweet" price.

also you ask how did ps3 get into last place yet some of you fail to mention the 360 came out 12 months earlier all on its own and over 15 months earlier in europe! do you really expect the ps3 to pass the 360 in just 2 years? even the ps2 wouldnt have done that.  theres just too mnay inconsistencies. if you want to compare sales then atleast compare them in the same time frame but i guess people that like the 360 dont want to because they know that the 360 is far behind the ps3 in the same time frame and thats the truth! so people stop with all the shit and please just enjoy your games. also some of you, give sony a damn break man! im sure most of you had ps2's. well sony made that so give them some credit. you know how different the games industry would be if it wasnt for sony and playstation.

This is a big inconcistency in your argument. The wii did it. Why couldn't the ps3 do it also? This is exactly what this topic is about. Because Sony toppled their empire.



NJ5 on 12 December 2008
KBG29 said:

The SCE division is now stable, and the game is back on.

Practically nothing is stable at Sony, much less SCE. Look at PSP and PS2 dropping in sales, those were their cash cows. This means the PS3 is now expected to become closer and closer to profitability, or SCE will be bleeding cash consistently.

The game is not back on. The game is survival now.

 



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Lord N on 12 December 2008

The biggest thing that's hurt Sony this generation is the price of the PS3, which is largely due to Sony's other divisions meddling in SCE's affairs.

SCE would have never put Blu-Ray or the Cell processor in the PS3 if they weren't forced to because of the stakes that the other divisions had in those technologies. Had it not been for this, we'd have seen a $300 PS3 at launch.

 

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rubido on 12 December 2008
kowenicki said:
@ cypher.. hard to argue with that really.

Actually, I would. This topic is nice because it mentions one of the biggest mistakes Sony has done so far which is to lose the kiddie and mainstream games. That should certainly be part of the recipe.

 



Nick on 12 December 2008
rubido said:
GTAIV08 said:

some people forget how fast things can change, back in the ps2 days, did people thing the wii would even outsell the ps3 for 1 week? did anyone last year think final fantasy was going to be on xbox? last year did people think the ps3 would outsell the 360 in america for over half the year in 2008? did anyone ever think the 360 could sell over 5k in japan for over 4 weeks? right now do people think the ps3 can outsell the 360 ever again in america? right now people are thinking no just like to all the other things i mentioned. this is just the beginning and microsoft have a,ong way to go to beat sony, nintendo have already done it but do microsoft have what it takes to go all the way? im not talking just outselling it for 2 months, how about a whole year? it needs to do that to stand a chance, especially now thats it at the "sweet" price.

also you ask how did ps3 get into last place yet some of you fail to mention the 360 came out 12 months earlier all on its own and over 15 months earlier in europe! do you really expect the ps3 to pass the 360 in just 2 years? even the ps2 wouldnt have done that.  theres just too mnay inconsistencies. if you want to compare sales then atleast compare them in the same time frame but i guess people that like the 360 dont want to because they know that the 360 is far behind the ps3 in the same time frame and thats the truth! so people stop with all the shit and please just enjoy your games. also some of you, give sony a damn break man! im sure most of you had ps2's. well sony made that so give them some credit. you know how different the games industry would be if it wasnt for sony and playstation.

This is a big inconcistency in your argument. The wii did it. Why couldn't the ps3 do it also? This is exactly what this topic is about. Because Sony toppled their empire.

 

Not to mention the Wii and PS2 track pretty close - meaning that yes the ps2 would have done that.



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