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Why are the Sony gamers who are so quick to pick fights always the first to default on these victimized dellusions of Wii gestapos and Nintendo totalitarian states of control?



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AllAll said:
robjoh said:
AllAll said:
robjoh said:
AllAll said:
robjoh are you not the one that should be reported for flamebait by threating others with possible bans ? You are the one that started the little exchange, you are as guilty as anyone else.


ehh sure, but I don't start thread write that an articel is a good read and then disapear or do I? The only thing that got Killzone3 back in the thread was when I asked if it was ok to ask for a ban if someone started a thread and then disapeared. We have a number of posters on this forum that post and then when someone answers with good arguement they just disapear. Killzone3 is one of them acording to me, and if he hisn't intressting in having a good argument WTF is he starting thread for?


Well its a forum you post things in

Maybe its just something someone wants to share, not everything has to be boiled down to an argument between the differant factions on here.

Maybe a thread ranking system is needed, if it falls below a certain limit the thread auto closes it self ?


If you aren't ready to arguement about whay you post you shouldn't post things on a forum that clearly people would disagree with it is as simply as that. When 5 guys jumps on and says that this articel more or less is shit and you have wroten that it is a good read then mayby you should point out why you agree with the articel? I mean this is like I would post an articel that states that PS3 wont get any good 3rd party games (which it clearly will get) write that it is a good read and than disapear. The articel should also be so badly written that the arguement is changing during the length of the articel.


 Anything that does not paint the wii or Nintendo in a good way will be disagreed with on here.  While plenty things that paint Sony in a bad way will be agreed with.  There are threads that use insults at sony in the thread title and thats alright and many agrees with it.  So does the virtue of what console has more fans on here dictate what threads are allowed and not allowed ?  


I think you missed my point, he can post an articel that states that Nintendo Wii will kill every kid on earth as long as he is ready to have an argument about it! He posted and then he disapered, and that is what I am angry about, you don't post an articel which clearly can be seen as a flamebait and then stop posting, because then it is trolling. Now Killzone3 came back, so that was nice, he haven't said anything about my respong to his arguement but that might be because we are derailing this thread fast. Mayby if you think this articel is great you can arguement about that to, I even think Hus has behaved somewhat today still thinks he miss the point from some of the posters (that we do have different game tast) but he hasn't wroten as insulting nor bad as he used to before his ban so that is a plus. Do get this I am ready to arguement about everything about this articel but it is hard if people just disaper or screams the Wii mafia doesn't agree as usual.

I also think that you are overestimating how bad we are threating sony on this forum, we usual don't give much credit to PS3 mostly because of the bad sales so far. This is a sales forum and whatever you think PS3 isn't doing that great just now.



 

 

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robjoh said:
 

I think you missed my point, he can post an articel that states that Nintendo Wii will kill every kid on earth as long as he is ready to have an argument about it! He posted and then he disapered, and that is what I am angry about, you don't post an articel with clearly can be seen as a flamebait and then stop posting, because then it is trolling. Now Killzone3 came back so that was nice he haven't said anything about my respong to his arguement but that might be because we are derailing this thread fast.

I also think that you are overestimating how bad we are threating sony on this forum, we usual don't give much credit to PS3 mostly because of the bad sales so far. This is a sales forum and whatever you think PS3 isn't doing that great just now.


 Yahh its been derailed.  Remember people cant on here 24/7 so a responce might take some time.  Sales credit or not, this is not a nintendo forum so any good or bad news should be a go about anyone. 



Sporticus said:
Why are the Sony gamers who are so quick to pick fights always the first to default on these victimized dellusions of Wii gestapos and Nintendo totalitarian states of control?

I dont know maybe because they feel screwd over by no one calling for a ban of a nintendo gamer when they call them a fanboy ?  You accused him of flaming the entire forum, yet all he did is stick to his opinon not a popular opinion but shiet its his to have and to defend.

  



AllAll said:
robjoh said:
 

I think you missed my point, he can post an articel that states that Nintendo Wii will kill every kid on earth as long as he is ready to have an argument about it! He posted and then he disapered, and that is what I am angry about, you don't post an articel with clearly can be seen as a flamebait and then stop posting, because then it is trolling. Now Killzone3 came back so that was nice he haven't said anything about my respong to his arguement but that might be because we are derailing this thread fast.

I also think that you are overestimating how bad we are threating sony on this forum, we usual don't give much credit to PS3 mostly because of the bad sales so far. This is a sales forum and whatever you think PS3 isn't doing that great just now.


 Yahh its been derailed.  Remember people cant on here 24/7 so a responce might take some time.  Sales credit or not, this is not a nintendo forum so any good or bad news should be a go about anyone. 


I remember, but you could guess that if he post a thread he plans to hang a long for a while? I mean he answered pretty quickly as soon as I started to ask if it was possible to ask for ban if you did a hit and run.



 

 

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Hmmmm. Right after Hus stops posting on the thread for now, AllAll comes on to stand up for him. Hmmmm



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AllAll said:
Sporticus said:
Why are the Sony gamers who are so quick to pick fights always the first to default on these victimized dellusions of Wii gestapos and Nintendo totalitarian states of control?

I dont know maybe because they feel screwd over by no one calling for a ban of a nintendo gamer when they call them a fanboy ?  You accused him of flaming the entire forum, yet all he did is stick to his opinon not a popular opinion but shiet its his to have and to defend.

  


Where has hus said any of what he has said is opinion.  Thing is, he tries to force his opinions as fact.  Even though plenty of good 3rd party games are coming, just because they are not his personal tastes, then he states it, as fact, that everything coming out on the Wii is crap.

Edit:  And Hus showed his ignorance on Wii games.  Which is not a crime in itself of course.  But it shows he doesn't have anything to add or say on the subject of the thread that is relevant.  So his only purpose can be to bash the rival system.



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Killzone3 said:

Well since my responce means the world to you. Everything in the article i though was good. They way it does not hold back on crappy wii 1st and 3rd party games, how it mention many multiplatform games selling the least on the wii.  A fact that is very denied on here.

A good part

"Publishers need to realize that casual gamers don't play games very often and hardcore gamers don’t give a crap about crappy games. And while the Wii looks like a great opportunity for video game publishers to cash-in on a gullible and naive consumer (i.e., the casual gamer) gamers and video game journalist really need to step up and let their voice be heard against this pathetic and money-hungry tactic."

and my favorite.

Alternatively, Nintendo really needs to step up and be the guiding light for other publishers out there. They need to either regulate the kind of quality that’s being put into these games or at least show that the Wii can have quality made games that match their quality made retail prices. Because after Metroid and Mario are out and about, gamers will be left with Nitro Bike sequels, unplayably bad Ghost Squad shooters and Alien SyndromeNitro Bike sequels, unplayably bad Ghost Squad shooters and Alien Syndrome spin-offs.

 


Ok.  So the quoted part says that publishers need to realize that Wii gamers are too savy to buy all the crappy games the publishers release for the Wii.  And then he says consumers and journalists need to step up and let publishers know they don't want crappy games.  Which is already solved by his first statement that the consumers arn't going to buy the games.  The guy does seem to write in circles, but there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with his statement here.

The second bold part, that Nintendo needs to step up.  Well, Nintendo already is with it's big games coming out.  From what is avaliable to us, these games look extremely good.  And Zelda already was released, and is an exceptional game in my opinion, and in the opinion of reviews and consumers.

As for asking for Nintendo to regulate the quaility of the games.  I still don't understand why lessons from the past all of a sudden don't apply.  'Regulating' games is what hurt Nintendo and Playstations 3rd party friendliness is what boosted PS.  And in having strong 'unregulated' 3rd party support, the power is given to the consumers to show the publishers what games they want.  Personally, I still don't see the negative with Nintendo's growing 3rd party support.  The author of the article is just wrong in saying Nintendo needs to 'regulate' it's 3rd party games.



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It's stranger how you complain about Flamers and Trolls AllAll. Look at your last several posts. You post more about the people who post than the thread topic.

On topic.

@Killzone3: Nintendo has not had a problem being a maker of quality games, and is an inspiration to programmers and artist. It is publishers and developers (executives) who have had problems with Nintendo in the past. They are the number one publisher in the world for a reason. Cheap does not always equal crappy, I am more than willing to pay for a game that was cheap to make but had is based on a good idea, as are many others... that is why it is called Intellectual Property, and that is why IP's are worth money.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Oh, this article is a headache of poorly-written sentences and ideas that go nowhere.  One minute the author is telling me that poor quality is the problem with Wii, the next minute he's pointing out that poor quality games sell just fine on PS2.

I get the basic idea that publishers are cramming crappy games on the system, but he doesn't seem to make a coherent point.  By his own admission, Mario Party 8 and Wii Play are selling like hotcakes at a fat camp, and Red Steel did nearly as well.  It mostly seems like a chance for him to cry because Resident Evil 4 isn't selling as well as some other games he doesn't like.  Boo-hoo-hoo.

Heh heh.  In spite of my ranting complaints, I think there is a point to take away from this article: developers and publishers need to really think about how to make money on Wii.  There aren't a lot of safe bets.

Hawk's point about regulation being Nintendo's downfall the past couple of generations is well-made.