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Sporticus said:
AllAll said:
Having a different opinion is not flaming, someone thinks a game is crap that their opinion. You cant change their mind thats what they think. Just because their opinion does not fit yours does not mean its flaming.

People will always have different opinions, well not in communism or fascism. Is that what you want this forum to be ? Wii is the greatest, wii games are great wii owners are right everyone else and their opinon is wrong they don't fit in with out views lets ban them. Or like robjoh did just threaten them with a ban, and if they fire back well then you successfully baited them they fell for it attacked back and now you can justify you ban. Hey it worked.



It's not simply just a matter of having a different opinion. It's a matter of attacking the other person's opinion and using inflamatory language such as "Fanboy". Varying opinions is a given in situations like these so bringing it up as an excuse is moot. Its the nature in which these opinions are exchanged which is the problem, not the fact that they exist or are presented.

Also, Hus (Huss/Washimul/Blue3) is dodging a permaban. That is grounds for a ban of any account that arises afterwards. No one is advocating he be banned now solely for his opinion, but rather his past indiscretions.


 Its not like he has not been called a fanboy, why is he singled out if he does it ?  Can you prove he is those other names ?  If hes was not banned and had the ability to post his opinion, why now after he ahs posted his opinion are you saying he should be banned for his past indiscretions.  Thats kinda hypocrytical thinking right there.



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Killzone3 said:

Well since my responce means the world to you. Everything in the article i though was good. They way it does not hold back on crappy wii 1st and 3rd party games, how it mention many multiplatform games selling the least on the wii.  A fact that is very denied on here.

A good part

"Publishers need to realize that casual gamers don't play games very often and hardcore gamers don’t give a crap about crappy games. And while the Wii looks like a great opportunity for video game publishers to cash-in on a gullible and naive consumer (i.e., the casual gamer) gamers and video game journalist really need to step up and let their voice be heard against this pathetic and money-hungry tactic."

and my favorite.

Alternatively, Nintendo really needs to step up and be the guiding light for other publishers out there. They need to either regulate the kind of quality that’s being put into these games or at least show that the Wii can have quality made games that match their quality made retail prices. Because after Metroid and Mario are out and about, gamers will be left with Nitro Bike sequels, unplayably bad Ghost Squad shooters and Alien SyndromeNitro Bike sequels, unplayably bad Ghost Squad shooters and Alien Syndrome spin-offs.

 


he answered....

Well first has no problem with the first part if it wasn't that he then complains that Wii owners doesn't buy the crap. I mean isn't that the same arguemt?

The last paragraph is intressting because if not Metroid Prime 3, BW2, FE, Mario Galaxy and SSBB is stepping up and showing the way what is? Other than that if Ghost squad and Alien Syndrome is bad games they wont sell and if that is the case we wont get more of those either. The whole arguement this articel is has is going in a circel. First Wii gets a lot of crap 3rd party games, then those crap games isn't selling which is bad, then later one he complains that Wii owners will get even more crap games because they sell? I don't get it.

It gets even better when he complains about RE4 sales isn't good when they actualy is on a good way to pass what capcom excpected.

Then a question to the whole crowd, isn't Nitrobike made by the same company that made Excitebike64? Wasn't that game good?



 

 

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robjoh said:
AllAll said:
robjoh are you not the one that should be reported for flamebait by threating others with possible bans ? You are the one that started the little exchange, you are as guilty as anyone else.


ehh sure, but I don't start thread write that an articel is a good read and then disapear or do I? The only thing that got Killzone3 back in the thread was when I asked if it was ok to ask for a ban if someone started a thread and then disapeared. We have a number of posters on this forum that post and then when someone answers with good arguement they just disapear. Killzone3 is one of them acording to me, and if he hisn't intressting in having a good argument WTF is he starting thread for?


Well its a forum you post things in

Maybe its just something someone wants to share, not everything has to be boiled down to an argument between the differant factions on here.

Maybe a thread ranking system is needed, if it falls below a certain limit the thread auto closes it self ?

 

 

 



Just because a person calls another person something that the accusor himself has been called, doesn't mean that the accuser is innocent. Logic is complicated. I understand your problems with it.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Sporticus said:

After the threat of reporting his behavior, Killzone3 seems to have cleaned up his approach and choice of wording for the debate. Might be a good technique for dealing with him in the future.

Also since almost every major japanese developer has committed themselves to developing for the Wii/DS I think we can anticipate seeing alot more games in the future. It's naive and arguably malicious to suggest that this first year of games is all the Wii is going to have. Or perhaps... is it instead, wishful thinking.


Well the thing is that the same thing happend to the DS, first a flood of shit from 3rd parties ending with DQIX and now Contra 4. It seems like people want to belive that Wii never will get any good games and from that point they argue.

Just to point out, I don't belive that Wii will get GTA4, MGS or FF. BUT that doesn't mean that Wii wont get good games does it?



 

 

Buy it and pray to the gods of Sigs: Naznatips!

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AllAll said:
Sporticus said:
AllAll said:
Having a different opinion is not flaming, someone thinks a game is crap that their opinion. You cant change their mind thats what they think. Just because their opinion does not fit yours does not mean its flaming.

People will always have different opinions, well not in communism or fascism. Is that what you want this forum to be ? Wii is the greatest, wii games are great wii owners are right everyone else and their opinon is wrong they don't fit in with out views lets ban them. Or like robjoh did just threaten them with a ban, and if they fire back well then you successfully baited them they fell for it attacked back and now you can justify you ban. Hey it worked.



It's not simply just a matter of having a different opinion. It's a matter of attacking the other person's opinion and using inflamatory language such as "Fanboy". Varying opinions is a given in situations like these so bringing it up as an excuse is moot. Its the nature in which these opinions are exchanged which is the problem, not the fact that they exist or are presented.

Also, Hus (Huss/Washimul/Blue3) is dodging a permaban. That is grounds for a ban of any account that arises afterwards. No one is advocating he be banned now solely for his opinion, but rather his past indiscretions.


 Its not like he has not been called a fanboy, why is he singled out if he does it ?  Can you prove he is those other names ?  If hes was not banned and had the ability to post his opinion, why now after he ahs posted his opinion are you saying he should be banned for his past indiscretions.  Thats kinda hypocrytical thinking right there.

It is well known he is one in the same with those others. Incidentally can any of the mods prove everyone who has been banned for allegedly being Gballzack was in fact Gballzack? No. It's a matter of relying on common knowledge and common sense.

Hypocrisy would require contradictory logic, which there is none of in my comments I think you're using the word incorrectly. I was not aware Hus had returned until I came upon this debate, that is why I made an issue of it when I did. I'm sorry to inform you that I'm not lurking from the shadows aloof awaiting those dodging permabans to rear their heads. You're suggestion that I chose to bring this up in light of his comments is really unfounded as I have in no way expressed direct dissagreement or dissaproval of his argument or opinion. I said attacking other's opinions and using the word fanboy in general is a poor debating, that would apply to anyone who does so, not Hus alone. Thus there was no singling him out. You're drawing too many conclusions from where there is none to be had. Stick to the facts, it makes the whole debating process alot smoother. 

 



“The Hardcore of the Peach is its pits. Try to get the whole fruit!”

- John Lucas

 

“Every industry is filled with the grave stones of companies who kept doing the same thing.”

- Reggie Fils-Aime

 

“You don’t play Graphics, you look at them.”

- Unknown

 

“Casual Gaming = Anything that’s not an FPS”

- Sony Fandom

AllAll said:
robjoh said:
AllAll said:
robjoh are you not the one that should be reported for flamebait by threating others with possible bans ? You are the one that started the little exchange, you are as guilty as anyone else.


ehh sure, but I don't start thread write that an articel is a good read and then disapear or do I? The only thing that got Killzone3 back in the thread was when I asked if it was ok to ask for a ban if someone started a thread and then disapeared. We have a number of posters on this forum that post and then when someone answers with good arguement they just disapear. Killzone3 is one of them acording to me, and if he hisn't intressting in having a good argument WTF is he starting thread for?


Well its a forum you post things in

Maybe its just something someone wants to share, not everything has to be boiled down to an argument between the differant factions on here.

Maybe a thread ranking system is needed, if it falls below a certain limit the thread auto closes it self ?


If you aren't ready to arguement about whay you post you shouldn't post things on a forum that clearly people would disagree with it is as simply as that. When 5 guys jumps on and says that this articel more or less is shit and you have wroten that it is a good read then mayby you should point out why you agree with the articel? I mean this is like I would post an articel that states that PS3 wont get any good 3rd party games (which it clearly will get) write that it is a good read and than disapear. The articel should also be so badly written that the arguement is changing during the length of the articel.



 

 

Buy it and pray to the gods of Sigs: Naznatips!

Sporticus said:
AllAll said:
Sporticus said:
AllAll said:
Having a different opinion is not flaming, someone thinks a game is crap that their opinion. You cant change their mind thats what they think. Just because their opinion does not fit yours does not mean its flaming.

People will always have different opinions, well not in communism or fascism. Is that what you want this forum to be ? Wii is the greatest, wii games are great wii owners are right everyone else and their opinon is wrong they don't fit in with out views lets ban them. Or like robjoh did just threaten them with a ban, and if they fire back well then you successfully baited them they fell for it attacked back and now you can justify you ban. Hey it worked.



It's not simply just a matter of having a different opinion. It's a matter of attacking the other person's opinion and using inflamatory language such as "Fanboy". Varying opinions is a given in situations like these so bringing it up as an excuse is moot. Its the nature in which these opinions are exchanged which is the problem, not the fact that they exist or are presented.

Also, Hus (Huss/Washimul/Blue3) is dodging a permaban. That is grounds for a ban of any account that arises afterwards. No one is advocating he be banned now solely for his opinion, but rather his past indiscretions.


Its not like he has not been called a fanboy, why is he singled out if he does it ? Can you prove he is those other names ? If hes was not banned and had the ability to post his opinion, why now after he ahs posted his opinion are you saying he should be banned for his past indiscretions. Thats kinda hypocrytical thinking right there.

It is well known he is one in the same with those others. Incidentally can any of the mods prove everyone who has been banned for allegedly being Gballzack was in fact Gballzack? No. It's a matter of relying on common knowledge and common sense.

Hypocrisy would require contradictory logic, which there is no of here. I think you're using the word incorrectly. I was not aware Hus had returned until I came upon this debate, that is why I made an issue of it when I did. I'm sorry to inform you that I'm not lurking from the shadows aloof awaiting those dodging permabans to rear their heads. You're suggestion that I chose to bring this up in light of his comments is really unfounded as I have in no way expressed direct dissagreement or dissaproval of his argument or opinion. I said using the word fanboy in general is a poor manuver, that would apply to anyone who uses the word, not Hus alone. Thus there was no singling him out. You're drawing too many conclusions from where there is none to be had. Stick to the facts, it makes the whole debating process alot smoother.

 

 

We all know its Gballzack from the avs used, anime/hentai crap of that sort.

As far as hus, you want him banned for his past indiscretions yet he was not baned for them or he was brought back even with his his past indiscretions.  So why should he be banned for them now ? 



AllAll said:
Sporticus said:
AllAll said:
Sporticus said:
AllAll said:
Having a different opinion is not flaming, someone thinks a game is crap that their opinion. You cant change their mind thats what they think. Just because their opinion does not fit yours does not mean its flaming.

People will always have different opinions, well not in communism or fascism. Is that what you want this forum to be ? Wii is the greatest, wii games are great wii owners are right everyone else and their opinon is wrong they don't fit in with out views lets ban them. Or like robjoh did just threaten them with a ban, and if they fire back well then you successfully baited them they fell for it attacked back and now you can justify you ban. Hey it worked.



It's not simply just a matter of having a different opinion. It's a matter of attacking the other person's opinion and using inflamatory language such as "Fanboy". Varying opinions is a given in situations like these so bringing it up as an excuse is moot. Its the nature in which these opinions are exchanged which is the problem, not the fact that they exist or are presented.

Also, Hus (Huss/Washimul/Blue3) is dodging a permaban. That is grounds for a ban of any account that arises afterwards. No one is advocating he be banned now solely for his opinion, but rather his past indiscretions.


Its not like he has not been called a fanboy, why is he singled out if he does it ? Can you prove he is those other names ? If hes was not banned and had the ability to post his opinion, why now after he ahs posted his opinion are you saying he should be banned for his past indiscretions. Thats kinda hypocrytical thinking right there.

It is well known he is one in the same with those others. Incidentally can any of the mods prove everyone who has been banned for allegedly being Gballzack was in fact Gballzack? No. It's a matter of relying on common knowledge and common sense.

Hypocrisy would require contradictory logic, which there is no of here. I think you're using the word incorrectly. I was not aware Hus had returned until I came upon this debate, that is why I made an issue of it when I did. I'm sorry to inform you that I'm not lurking from the shadows aloof awaiting those dodging permabans to rear their heads. You're suggestion that I chose to bring this up in light of his comments is really unfounded as I have in no way expressed direct dissagreement or dissaproval of his argument or opinion. I said using the word fanboy in general is a poor manuver, that would apply to anyone who uses the word, not Hus alone. Thus there was no singling him out. You're drawing too many conclusions from where there is none to be had. Stick to the facts, it makes the whole debating process alot smoother.

 

 

We all know its Gballzack from the avs used, anime/hentai crap of that sort.

As far as hus, you want him banned for his past indiscretions yet he was not baned for them or he was brought back even with his his past indiscretions.  So why should he be banned for them now ? 


If the Hus account only had a one month ban and the Blue3 account was permabanned it would merely be a waiting game before he could use the Hus account again. Also, the only other account I recall using anime/hentai crap was Lamia, who oddly enough was a girl, none of the others.

It's a matter for the mods to decide and they may just be waiting to confirm what the rest of us already know, that it is Blue3. The evidence will be clear soon enough if it isn't already.



“The Hardcore of the Peach is its pits. Try to get the whole fruit!”

- John Lucas

 

“Every industry is filled with the grave stones of companies who kept doing the same thing.”

- Reggie Fils-Aime

 

“You don’t play Graphics, you look at them.”

- Unknown

 

“Casual Gaming = Anything that’s not an FPS”

- Sony Fandom

robjoh said:
AllAll said:
robjoh said:
AllAll said:
robjoh are you not the one that should be reported for flamebait by threating others with possible bans ? You are the one that started the little exchange, you are as guilty as anyone else.


ehh sure, but I don't start thread write that an articel is a good read and then disapear or do I? The only thing that got Killzone3 back in the thread was when I asked if it was ok to ask for a ban if someone started a thread and then disapeared. We have a number of posters on this forum that post and then when someone answers with good arguement they just disapear. Killzone3 is one of them acording to me, and if he hisn't intressting in having a good argument WTF is he starting thread for?


Well its a forum you post things in

Maybe its just something someone wants to share, not everything has to be boiled down to an argument between the differant factions on here.

Maybe a thread ranking system is needed, if it falls below a certain limit the thread auto closes it self ?


If you aren't ready to arguement about whay you post you shouldn't post things on a forum that clearly people would disagree with it is as simply as that. When 5 guys jumps on and says that this articel more or less is shit and you have wroten that it is a good read then mayby you should point out why you agree with the articel? I mean this is like I would post an articel that states that PS3 wont get any good 3rd party games (which it clearly will get) write that it is a good read and than disapear. The articel should also be so badly written that the arguement is changing during the length of the articel.


 Anything that does not paint the wii or Nintendo in a good way will be disagreed with on here.  While plenty things that paint Sony in a bad way will be agreed with.  There are threads that use insults at sony in the thread title and thats alright and many agrees with it.  So does the virtue of what console has more fans on here dictate what threads are allowed and not allowed ?