My favs are Fps and racing, and Excite truck is mediocre in the grand scheme of racing games.  And if your wondering i do think NFS carbon and RidgeRacer on PS3 are very mediocre. 

My three favorite racing games right now are...

Excite Truck
GTHD Concept
Motorstorm (It's like Excite Truck with online and better graphics, but not as fun)

In that order.

I am really big into GT, but guess what? It may not be as polished but i have had more FUN (remember, the thing video games are supposed to be) playing ET than I ever did with any other racing game.

You are right about Wii being used as a place for devs to put cheap ports and cheap "trainging" games. Training games have sold extremely well on DS. I think that Nintendo was a little surprised that Big Brain didn't sell as much on Wii. Even Nintendo is adjusting to Wii success.

What Nintendo didn't realize, is that Casuals are driving the market right now but even casuals are going for the more traditional (kinda) and deeper games on the home consoles. Sports, Puzzle, Action, Adventure are all selling really well on Wii, and I think Devs will notice this and make more games along these lines, but still not costing anywhere near what a game on 360 or PS3 cost.

So did all the crappy games on Wii hurt the sales? No.

I've been saying it over and over: Consumers don't care what we (the "hardcore" gamers) think about their purchasing/gaming choices. Sorry bro, that you are disappointed. That's life. You are going to be angry and sad the rest of your life if you don't make some changes. I really wish you the best. Just have fun.

(Anyone else picture Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons for some reason? "Gran Turismo is by far superior to Excite Truck, any moron knows that.")

robjoh are you not the one that should be reported for flamebait by threating others with possible bans ? You are the one that started the little exchange, you are as guilty as anyone else.

Hus/Washimul/Blue3 LIVES!!!!!!

Seriously, we hunt down trolls like Gballzak with extreme prejudice yet turn a blind eye to someone who flamed the entire forum for an entire night with accounts ranging from Blue5-19 and Red3-7. Oh well no sense crying over spilled milk.

The PS3, regardless what your personal opinion of the games are, will always be fighting an uphill battle given the console and game's limited appeal. They cannot afford misplaced hype, they cannot afford repeated misses as they have seen with every anticipated title so far. Having the best games in the world will mean nothing if you can't move consoles, and I'm sorry, Sony's recent spike in sales can't last. In the end if your argument has to be degredated into forcing your opinion of what a better game is on to someone else or tossing around the word Fanboy as an excuse for not rising to the challenge of adressing the other person's points, then you're not fit to be seen as a rational adult and should probably be spending your time on a forum more friendly to your console of choice.

Having a different opinion is not flaming, someone thinks a game is crap that their opinion. You cant change their mind thats what they think. Just because their opinion does not fit yours does not mean its flaming.

People will always have different opinions, well not in communism or fascism. Is that what you want this forum to be ? Wii is the greatest, wii games are great wii owners are right everyone else and their opinon is wrong they don't fit in with out views lets ban them. Or like robjoh did just threaten them with a ban, and if they fire back well then you successfully baited them they fell for it attacked back and now you can justify you ban. Hey it worked.

It's not simply just a matter of having a different opinion. It's a matter of attacking the other person's opinion and using inflamatory language such as "Fanboy". Varying opinions is a given in situations like these so bringing it up as an excuse is moot. Its the nature in which these opinions are exchanged which is the problem, not the fact that they exist or are presented.

Also, Hus (Huss/Washimul/Blue3) is dodging a permaban. That is grounds for a ban of any account that arises afterwards. No one is advocating he be banned now solely for his opinion, but rather his past indiscretions.

Robjob may have started the debate or instigated the discussion but at least he is willing to finish it, and I do not see how starting something makes you accountable for what direction others choose to take it. 

Well since my responce means the world to you. Everything in the article i though was good. They way it does not hold back on crappy wii 1st and 3rd party games, how it mention many multiplatform games selling the least on the wii.  A fact that is very denied on here.

A good part

"Publishers need to realize that casual gamers don't play games very often and hardcore gamers don’t give a crap about crappy games. And while the Wii looks like a great opportunity for video game publishers to cash-in on a gullible and naive consumer (i.e., the casual gamer) gamers and video game journalist really need to step up and let their voice be heard against this pathetic and money-hungry tactic."

and my favorite.

Alternatively, Nintendo really needs to step up and be the guiding light for other publishers out there. They need to either regulate the kind of quality that’s being put into these games or at least show that the Wii can have quality made games that match their quality made retail prices. Because after Metroid and Mario are out and about, gamers will be left with Nitro Bike sequels, unplayably bad Ghost Squad shooters and Alien SyndromeNitro Bike sequels, unplayably bad Ghost Squad shooters and Alien Syndrome spin-offs.

ehh sure, but I don't start thread write that an articel is a good read and then disapear or do I? The only thing that got Killzone3 back in the thread was when I asked if it was ok to ask for a ban if someone started a thread and then disapeared. We have a number of posters on this forum that post and then when someone answers with good arguement they just disapear. Killzone3 is one of them acording to me, and if he hisn't intressting in having a good argument WTF is he starting thread for?

After the threat of reporting his behavior, Killzone3 seems to have cleaned up his approach and choice of wording for the debate. Might be a good technique for dealing with him in the future.

Also since almost every major japanese developer has committed themselves to developing for the Wii/DS I think we can anticipate seeing alot more games in the future. It's naive and arguably malicious to suggest that this first year of games is all the Wii is going to have. Or perhaps... is it instead, wishful thinking.

Oddly enough it is Sony, who is still announcing games whose development were acquired well before the PS3 launched so it may in fact be Sony who is running out of games, not the Wii.