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Kyros said:

And if we discount Wii Sports and Wii Play (which is in effect a 10$ game with the second WiiMote) we have 5 out of the top10, which is perfectly in line with its marketshare.

But thats not the point. The problem of the Wii lies below the Top10. While the 360 and the PS3 have a long long list of really good games, the Wii has a couple of (Nintendo produced) Blockbusters and a huge amount of not so good titles. The middle is missing. Discussion is not new.

I tried to cover this by providing a top 10 breakdown for each platform, but since you insist... Here's a full top 25 for all consoles:

All Consoles

-) Wii Sports (17.45m)
1) Mario Kart Wii (10.43m)
2) Wii Fit (10.37m)
3) Wii Play (7.82m)
4) Smash Brothers Brawl (7.49m)
5) Grand Theft Auto 4 (360) (6.31m)
6) Grand Theft Auto 4 (PS3) (4.97m)
7) Metal Gear Solid 4 (3.54m)
8) Gears of War 2 (3.31m)
9) Mario and Sonic (3.30m)
10) Mario Galaxy (2.66m)
11) Call of Duty 4 (360) (2.53m)
12) Call of Duty World at War (360) (2.37m)
13) Grand Turismo 5 Prologue (2.20m)
14) Guitar Hero III (Wii) (2.12m)
15) Rainbow Six Vegas 2 (360) (1.84m)
16) Call of Duty 4 (PS3) (1.84m)
17) Fable 2 (1.80m)
18) Carnival Games (1.74m)

19) Guitar Hero III (360) (1.66m)
20) Link's Crossbow Training (1.65m)
21) Mario Party 8 (1.63m)
22) Halo 3 (1.54m)

23) Army of Two (360) (1.49m)
24) Madden 09 (360) (1.46m)
25) Game Party (1.42m)

11 Wii, 10 360, and 4 PS3 games show up (this is still not counting Wii Sports). So Kyros is partially correct, as the Wii is indeed less dominant in the 11-25 spots - although one would think it's better to dominate the top of the list rather than the middle part. Nevertheless, the Wii not only puts every single game from its top 10 into the list, I had to go research what was next in 2008 sales (Midway's much-decried Game Party, if you would believe it).

Here's the real kicker though: every single Wii game other than Guitar Hero is exclusive to the platform. Only three of the 360's ten games on this list are exclusive. Basically, if you want to play ANY of the Wii's top selling games, you must own the console. This is an extraordinary selling point for the console; often we hear that the Wii's differentiation is bad because it makes porting 360/PS3 games more difficult. But in reality, the opposite is true: the Wii's different nature makes all of its top games exclusive to the platform, driving hardware sales through the roof. The conventional logic is precisely backwards.

Every long-time gamer knows that exclusive games are what sell hardware. Just look at this list above: despite all the blockbuster games that have come out this generation, 17 of the top 25 (and 8 of the top 10!) selling games in 2008 were exclusives to one platform or another. And it's really even more dominant than that, since we see 2 Grand Theft Autos, 2 Call of Duties, and 2 Guitar Heros showing up in the data.

You can literally boil the console generation down to exclusive software sales. Wii is selling it far better than its competitors, thus is winning. Personal opinions of that software (i.e. thx1139's posts) are completely irrelevant.



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thx1139 said:
tuoyo said:

I think that's the point.  You left out good games and by doing so it seems you are implying only crap games sell on Wii.  If you had left those games in then it would have weakened your argument. 

As for the games you left in it goes to show how you or any other so called hard core person cannot be the judge of what is a good game and what is not.  The people that think Wii Sports is a bad game (let alone mediocre) are in the minority big time.  If you think Wii Sports is a bad game then I think you have very bad taste in games.  Wii Fit is great for what it is.  Mario and Sonic I absolutely love.  If you think it is mediocre that's your problem.  Tons of people disagree.  I have been playing games for 20 years now and love all manner of games.  I absolutely love Fallout 3 which you would obviously classify hard core.  But at the same time I can have an open mind and love quality 'casual' games like Wii Sports and Mario & Sonic.  But the fact I have been gaming for ages and play 'hardcore' games does not give me the right to tell others what is a good game or bad game.  Wii Music is the exception of course.  I think it is crap and everyone must accept my view on that game as FACT.

 

Actually I have played Wii Sports and Wii Play and they are indeed mediocre and bad.  Even if they were OK to good games is it a reason to celebrate games that clearly had little investment made into them sell so incredibly. 

Again I left out the good games not to imply the Wii doesnt have any good games that sell.  Fact of the matter of those top 10 games 6 of them are mediocre at best and yes that includes Wii Sports.   No I havent played all of those, but how many bad games on the 360, PS3, or previous generations have you played?  Just because for some stupid reason or another a mediocre or bad game sells incredibly well on a platform are we obliged to play it so we can say it is indeed a mediocre or bad game.  I didnt play Too Human on the 360 and willing to say it is mediocre.

 

Opinion =/= Fact.

Your Opinion == Your personal Preference only and nothing more

my opinion = your opinion = any other individuals opinion < collective opinion {where higher values equate to more importance and vice versa}

I could say "Portal is a terrible game.", and shortly after being lynched people would point out that the absurd notions of an individual are meaningless to everyone but that individual.

As for reviewers...well I think the best analogy here would be for you to pick your favorite profressional/college level sport and ask yourself this question:  Would you consider it reasonable or fair if your favorite team were playing a game where the most hardcore and dedicated fans of the opposing team were allowed to officiate the game?

Now consider that sports actually use objective rules for the most part where as reviewing is very subjective.  So why would you trust the subjective opinions of self-professed "hardcore gamers" when reviewing "casual games" if you wouldn't even trust the supposedly objective rulings of fanboys from your favorite sport where the rules are clearly defined?



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FishyJoe said:
thx1139 said:

Actually I have played Wii Sports and Wii Play and they are indeed mediocre and bad.  Even if they were OK to good games is it a reason to celebrate games that clearly had little investment made into them sell so incredibly. 

Again I left out the good games not to imply the Wii doesnt have any good games that sell.  Fact of the matter of those top 10 games 6 of them are mediocre at best and yes that includes Wii Sports.   No I havent played all of those, but how many bad games on the 360, PS3, or previous generations have you played?  Just because for some stupid reason or another a mediocre or bad game sells incredibly well on a platform are we obliged to play it so we can say it is indeed a mediocre or bad game.  I didnt play Too Human on the 360 and willing to say it is mediocre.

 

 

To the average person, the top core games, like MGS4 and Halo 3, are bad because they are unplayable for the average person. Good or bad all depends on the target audience. The Wii games are very good for their intended audience, as are the top 360 and PS3 games. You and the hardcore gaming audience aren't the only ones in the world games are developed for, quit thinking so selfishly.

Exactly what I was going to say.  The suggestion that thx is the only judge of a good game is silly.  He thinks Mario and Sonic is mediocre I think it is amazing.  He may possibly think Halo is amazing while I think it is a pile of shit.  Why should one person's opinion count more than another.  Wii Music as I said is the exception and only my opinion counts there.

 



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bigjon said:
a very logical conclusion. I seriously hope the people who believed the Wii was a fad have changed their minds by now. I think after GTA4 failed to even make a dent in the Wiis empire it because clear there was not turning backs... (recalls leo-j awsome theory about GTA killing the Wii.... lol good times)

 

I think what really stopped GTA4 from hurting the Wii an any way was its announcement on PC I also think this hurt the sales of GTA4 on the other consoles. Granted some people just do not like the series. It was the only reason for a long time that kept me from buying my 360.



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Derixs said:
bigjon said:
a very logical conclusion. I seriously hope the people who believed the Wii was a fad have changed their minds by now. I think after GTA4 failed to even make a dent in the Wiis empire it because clear there was not turning backs... (recalls leo-j awsome theory about GTA killing the Wii.... lol good times)

 

I think what really stopped GTA4 from hurting the Wii an any way was its announcement on PC I also think this hurt the sales of GTA4 on the other consoles. Granted some people just do not like the series. It was the only reason for a long time that kept me from buying my 360.

every gta game came out on PC except for handheld ones, it never hurt the sales of gta: sa, gta:vc and gta3



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3rd party or not the result is current 49% marketshare by one console. Doesn't matter as long as games are there and the value is percieved at $250 every time.

For now I'll say that Nintendo's wording is off just a little, community fun not family fun alone. Something that made the arcades such a hit was the ability to play with tuns of people at any given point.

Consoles like the NES ripped the arcades a new one because you could play with another person and you could play multiple games on one machine and finally you could play it at home.

By moving consoles in the direction of online play, you'd think that to be the win formula... but for some reason that isn't working along with the community formula.

Some say it's the complexity of the interface, others say price and a few others say brand name.

I believe online play doesn't work as well because social offline is not social online. V_V



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Sqrl said:
thx1139 said:
tuoyo said:

I think that's the point.  You left out good games and by doing so it seems you are implying only crap games sell on Wii.  If you had left those games in then it would have weakened your argument. 

As for the games you left in it goes to show how you or any other so called hard core person cannot be the judge of what is a good game and what is not.  The people that think Wii Sports is a bad game (let alone mediocre) are in the minority big time.  If you think Wii Sports is a bad game then I think you have very bad taste in games.  Wii Fit is great for what it is.  Mario and Sonic I absolutely love.  If you think it is mediocre that's your problem.  Tons of people disagree.  I have been playing games for 20 years now and love all manner of games.  I absolutely love Fallout 3 which you would obviously classify hard core.  But at the same time I can have an open mind and love quality 'casual' games like Wii Sports and Mario & Sonic.  But the fact I have been gaming for ages and play 'hardcore' games does not give me the right to tell others what is a good game or bad game.  Wii Music is the exception of course.  I think it is crap and everyone must accept my view on that game as FACT.

 

Actually I have played Wii Sports and Wii Play and they are indeed mediocre and bad.  Even if they were OK to good games is it a reason to celebrate games that clearly had little investment made into them sell so incredibly. 

Again I left out the good games not to imply the Wii doesnt have any good games that sell.  Fact of the matter of those top 10 games 6 of them are mediocre at best and yes that includes Wii Sports.   No I havent played all of those, but how many bad games on the 360, PS3, or previous generations have you played?  Just because for some stupid reason or another a mediocre or bad game sells incredibly well on a platform are we obliged to play it so we can say it is indeed a mediocre or bad game.  I didnt play Too Human on the 360 and willing to say it is mediocre.

 

Opinion =/= Fact.

Your Opinion == Your personal Preference only and nothing more

my opinion = your opinion = any other individuals opinion < collective opinion {where higher values equate to more importance and vice versa}

I could say "Portal is a terrible game.", and shortly after being lynched people would point out that the absurd notions of an individual are meaningless to everyone but that individual.

As for reviewers...well I think the best analogy here would be for you to pick your favorite profressional/college level sport and ask yourself this question:  Would you consider it reasonable or fair if your favorite team were playing a game where the most hardcore and dedicated fans of the opposing team were allowed to officiate the game?

Now consider that sports actually use objective rules for the most part where as reviewing is very subjective.  So why would you trust the subjective opinions of self-professed "hardcore gamers" when reviewing "casual games" if you wouldn't even trust the supposedly objective rulings of fanboys from your favorite sport where the rules are clearly defined?

Actually, it's much simpler than that. Woulod you consider the opinion of someone who admits not to have played the games?

 



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Another indicator of great Wii Software sales can be found in the corporate reports. The estimated Wii software shipments (not including Wii Sports) for the fiscal year are expected to be 200 million units. Compare that to the PS3+PSP+PS2 total which is estimated to be 250 million units. The Wii all alone is closing in on the Playstation family total. I would give 360 numbers but those aren't available.



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The Wii has over 50% of the top10 bestselling games

If you look at million sellers the Wii has pretty exactly 33%.

If you look at games over 500k the Wii has 29% and 10 more than the PS3 (at three times the userbase)

I think its fair to say that the software sales of the Wii are very top heavy. It simply lacks a broad variety of good to very good games (which the other two consoles have).

(at the moment the 360 has 53 million sellers the PS3 has 11 million sellers and the Wii has 30 million sellers.)

(at the moment the 360 has 107 games over 500k, the PS3 has 50 games over 500k, the Wii has 65 games over 500k)