yea..like R2, LBP and socom sure moved consoles...

Sorry, were you looking for any positive spirit about the PS brand in a thread entitled "I've given up on Sony taking 2nd place"?

I'm not here to satisfy anyone. I give my opinions on what will happen as best as I can tell. And no, I don't like Sony very much if it satisfies you to know that. I thought it was pretty obvious, but I don't mind spelling it out if it makes some happier.

On the other hand, it's not true that I don't ever saying anything positive about the PS. I have said long ago that the PS3 would get most important games in the generation. Even with Sony having a lot of trouble as a company right now, I still think it's likely that SCE and the PS3 will survive and there will be a PS4. Those are my realistic expectations.

Cool deal, that just means that we are on the same page.

Like I've alway said... the PS3 is the better console in the technology arena (and really I think the $399 price is a bargain for what you get).   Most people however, don't want to spend that much to dip their feet into the entry waters of the PS3 world.  They will however spend about $200.00 to do the same in the XB360 world.

And don't discount the current economic crisis.  The great depression wasn't an overnight phenomenom either.  It took 3 years after the crash prior to the actual depression starting.

This credit crisis is a real threat to the economy.  I have 800+ FICO score, and keep a virual zero balance on my cards (always pay in full) but even my cards are not getting their credit increases like they were a year ago.  After the holiday season is over, it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Long story short, people want to spend less money... and really that is a rule that transcends economic troubles.  Yet, in a weak economic atmosphere it only becomes that much more important.  The consumer confidence levels are at the lowest they've been this decade, and that equates into people spending less money.

Well what do you propose we do, compare Wii sales to 360/PS3? If so this site will not last long at all.

Im afraid youre right.

Look, I guve my support to Sony. But seriously cant get over some of the most retarded things Ive heard their frontmen say & do during the start of this generation of consoles. They share ALOT of faults for the sour position they've gotten themselves into:

Ken Kutaragi - obviously had a developing state of megalomania being so convinced that whatecer Sony would do the public would swallow it deep and hard. Despite being positive about Sony I still shake my head in disbelief about stuff like "two-jobs-buy-a-PS3" Krazy Ken. He underestimated the rivals LARGELY something that nearly ran the SCEJ business to the ground.

Phil Harrison - The man greenlit, so many games that turned out to be HORRIBLE lacking alot of quality which he kept telling himself and the public, in denial was true. Catastrophies like LAIR, untold Kingdom, GENJI 2 Heavenly Sword, several of FPS's (he was fucking saturating the god damn market with this) ,HOME (god DAMN IT Phil *facepalm*) etc.. ONLY one out of all those shits was a gem which i still appreciate: LBP.

Otherwise both of the above completely LOST what their fanbase & target consumers demanded.

I think the only guy who can save SCEJ comes in FAR, FAR, FAR too late into the SCEJ management is Shuhei Yushida - the dude has displayed surprisingly alot of competence to me from what Ive seen him say. Plus he's alot more willing to admit that his rivals/competitors have a good job. Also considering he comes from the background as the third party software consultant/manager gives me alot of belief leading towards which games the fanbase will want. Thanks to him I see PSN developing faster and pushing the developers to make features come out for the PS3 gamers. He's a gamer himself and can associate with what gamers enjoy. He's the only guy at SCEI I have some ounce of faith to believe that he may sort things out for Sony. At least clean their bad rep among the hardcore gamers.

Ok..... but what does the PS3 coming 2nd or 3rd have to do with which console you yourself personally play more???? What's the point in even mentioning that.... what ever happened to "it's all about the games"??

Lol...

I'm with you.

I don't think you really can compare them.  I think the Wii is in its own category.  It's all about the interactive gaming experience.

The 360 & PS3 are all about HD gaming... superior graphics & sound intergrated into traditional gaming.  Games that are ported from the PS3 to 360 or vice versa are generally the same all-in-all.  The Wii versions of the game always tend to get completely made over.

If there is any fight at all, it's between Sony & MS.  Nintendo's part in the war is a battle against itself.. atleast until next generation when Nintendo releases an HD Wii.

You shut that up right now....I will STILL argue that NOT happening lol

Look at my sig, why? Because thats how the ps2 started, and it seems blu-ray is beginning to take off.