Wii fanboys trolling hard derailing the thread, mods doing nothing.

Just another day at Vgc.

Davy -- they definitely, absolutely detract points for short games, but its a matter of perspective. Just as games released on the PS3, Wii or 360 aren't automatically penalized for having worse graphics than a high end PC game like Crysis, DS/PSP games aren't penalized if the games are shorter. It's relative to the platform. DS/PSP games are cheaper, as well. 

It's very much like restaraunts in terms of criticism. Do burger joints get knocked down simply because they sell burgers? No, that's what they're supposed to do. However, if a fine Japanese restaraunt sold one type of Sashimi and the rest of their menu was just a ton of Burgers, it would get criticized, because Burgers are neither fine nor Japanese. Different expectations for different types of restaraunts -- different expectations for different systems and environments. 

Games like Kororinpa on the Wii, for example, had points knocked off because it was too short. If it had been released on the DS or PSP, it would have been just right.

If, say, Mass Effect were released for 300 dollars, that would be unreasonable. The accepted price of games of this type on this system is 50-60 dollars when new. 

 This is correct, and needs to be emphasized.

As he said, mostly you don't see issues because all games are released for a standard price; for the PS3 and 360, that standard price is 60 bucks. It assumes a certain length and value. If one of these games were suddenly 300 dollars, it absolutely would get knocked down in a similar fashion.

Online games are getting more criticism these days because there is no standard price point or value yet. It's amorphous. 

And again, LOTS of Wii games have been criticized for being too short or offering too little value for the money; Big Brain Academy comes to mind immediately, as does Kororinpa. This isn't a Playstation exclusive issue, every system has price discussions. Stop acting like martyrs, please. 

Then leave if you don't like it.

Go to a Sony haven. Go to a PS3 forum. Go play your PS3.

I think these are all bits and pieces of a whole.

Reviewers would naturally take into account factors such as gameplay, graphics, sound, even interface and other "quasi-measurable" game metrics.

The length and breadth of a game is also taken into account. Obviously, so is the price. Multiplayer implementation is also a factor in reviewing a game provided it makes sense to have multiplayer in the first place.

Games like Escape from Monkey Island would not get points knocked off for lacking online, that's for sure. 

If Unreal Tournament 2004 had everything it currently has, but only one level and only deathmatch, it would get far worse scores than it does now because it would be far too short.

If Steel Batallions cost you 200 bucks a pop but did not include that uber-cool controller, you can bet the score for that title would be abysmal.

Games should be, and tend to be, reviewed based on a good cross-section of relevant criteria. Pricing, length and breadth of a game are of value in a review.

If you wanted to take only one example to say that they were being biased, couldn't you have picked a better one?

Also, isn't being biased something you have to do repeatedly? Don't you also have to compare it to other consoles to prove that only one is being put down? Are you going to complain about being biased by using only one example?

If you wanted to make a statement about it, why couldn't you have done it like HappySqurriel did. His argument is much stronger than "I have one example that only I think proves everything and I will not take into account their other reviews, not even the ones for the Wii/360". I said only you think since there is an obvious opinion from everyone else disagreeing with your statements.

 You're certainly not helping any by instigating it further.

Anyway, like I'd said before, price is absolutely a factor in reviewing, as it well should be. 

I dunno...you guys want a ban? I want a ban...

Do it for Nination, some one does not agree with their wii fascism.

I guess talking to him would be better. If he doesn't understand the harm of his actions to a good discussion, then ban him. If he does, just let it go with a warning.

There is no need to ban a person right away without a little chatting. :) Everyone deserves a second chance.