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Kasz216 on 26 November 2008
Million said:
nightsurge said:
Million said:
NJ5 said:
Million said:

 

You have to have a more desirable expensive   No really desirable. product to generate more revenue with less units sold , it's as simple as that.

Fix'd ;)

 

 

If you were comparing items that sold in there 10's - 100's then you might have a point , but we're looking at mass market products , 1. you can't generate more revenue than your closest competitor simply by making your console more expensive , doing that will almost certainly kill your sales unless the consumer feels the product justifies the price.

2.  Guess how well the 360 would perform at the PS3's current price point or vice versa.

 

1.  You mean like exactly as it is now?  PS3 sales being destroyed because of their expensive price.

2.  I'm tired of people saying this.  If the 360 really did cost that much, it would have to be justified.  Meaning the 360 would have many more features and additives, thus STILL making it more appealing than the PS3.  Sheesh, do people ever think things all the way through, or do they just take one fanboy's words for granted and start spouting it elsewhere?

 

1. My point wasn't that the PS3 was performing better than the 360 , my point was there is still more desire for the PS3 than there is the 360 . The PS3 would perform far better at an equal price point , that can't be disputed.

2. Are you responding to my point or pulling stuff outa your arse ? . The 360's is highly dependant on it's predatory price point for it's huge sales , the further you push the price up the bigger the sales drop off you'll witness . For most of this year the PS3 was "destroying" the 360 with a much higher price point but it was combination of the 360 price cut (bringing it in the price range of the PS2/PSP) and the ecnomic situation which played to the PS3's disadvantage.

It can't be argued in anyway that the PS3 is outperforming the 360 in any tangiable way but what I am trying to demonstrate is the competetivness of the PS3 and it's sales potential ,the 360 has the advantage for now but it wouldn't take much more than a price cut to eat that lead away (obviously a price cut would have serious implications for Sony and is looking very unlikely until spring.)

 

1.  That's not more desire... that's not really how it works economically speaking.

To calculate it in a real economical sense would be to sell both at a price where they have the exact same profit margin, then see which sells better.

Since the 360 likely makes more per unit then the PS3... (If the Ps3 even turns a proft yet....) the results would be worse.

Production price is a part of the product as much as anything else.

Heck so is regular price.  That's what people don't understand.

 



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atma998 on 26 November 2008
Simulacrum said:
So what you expected for Xbox 360?
It frikkin costs 189€.
vs 479e.
=290€.
You can buy both PSP and Ds with it.
Or buy Xbox 360 and Wii.
Parents are going "o my son needs that console which should I buy"? Hmmm Ps3 479€ geez or hmm XBox 360 for 189€.
Hmmm.
Hmm.

 

 So? That doesn't change the fact that Wii and X360 are currently beating the hell out of PS3.



goddog on 26 November 2008
Million said:
nightsurge said:
Million said:
PS3 is still selling healthily for it's price point and you'll find it's probably still generating more revenue than the 360 is despite the sales differences.

More revenue, yes, but that's just because it sells for a higher price.  More profits, no.

 

 

I said "revenue" for a very specific reason ( and it's not exactly clear how much profit MS is making of their cut price 360's so you can't really talk about profits of hardware) . You have to have a more desirable product to generate more revenue with less units sold , it's as simple as that.

with the way the 360 is moving units, they may out revenue it too

 



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mrstickball on 26 November 2008
WiiStation360 said:
Impressive 360 sales once again.

Sony fans need to calm down. (and 360 fans as well)

I do not see the increasing 360 lead over the PS3 as that big of a deal in the long term. Third parties will need sales on both consoles to make back the huge HD development cost. Publishers are not going to suddenly dump development for a console with 22% market share to develop solely for the console with 29% market share.

Very good analysis.

Even if this beatdown that Microsoft is giving Sony (relatively) was to continue indefinately, the likely scenario is that 3rd parties drop exclusivity support entirely for the Playstation 3 - no Vs. XIII, no exclusive KH3 (if it came to PS3, and not the Wii), and so on.

In the end, it MAY help the X360 to see limited, continued support of a few 3rd party exclusives, here and there, which would primarily be X360/PC-centric titles.

If this leads to Valkyria Chronicles coming to the X360, as well as Vs. XIII, I am all for it :)

 



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BengaBenga on 26 November 2008
Million said:
nightsurge said:
Million said:
NJ5 said:
Million said:

 

You have to have a more desirable expensive   No really desirable. product to generate more revenue with less units sold , it's as simple as that.

Fix'd ;)

 

 

If you were comparing items that sold in there 10's - 100's then you might have a point , but we're looking at mass market products , 1. you can't generate more revenue than your closest competitor simply by making your console more expensive , doing that will almost certainly kill your sales unless the consumer feels the product justifies the price.

2.  Guess how well the 360 would perform at the PS3's current price point or vice versa.

 

1.  You mean like exactly as it is now?  PS3 sales being destroyed because of their expensive price.

2.  I'm tired of people saying this.  If the 360 really did cost that much, it would have to be justified.  Meaning the 360 would have many more features and additives, thus STILL making it more appealing than the PS3.  Sheesh, do people ever think things all the way through, or do they just take one fanboy's words for granted and start spouting it elsewhere?

 

1. My point wasn't that the PS3 was performing better than the 360 , my point was there is still more desire for the PS3 than there is the 360 . The PS3 would perform far better at an equal price point , that can't be disputed.

2. Are you responding to my point or pulling stuff outa your arse ? . The 360's is highly dependant on it's predatory price point for it's huge sales , the further you push the price up the bigger the sales drop off you'll witness . For most of this year the PS3 was "destroying" the 360 with a much higher price point but it was combination of the 360 price cut (bringing it in the price range of the PS2/PSP) and the ecnomic situation which played to the PS3's disadvantage.

It can't be argued in anyway that the PS3 is outperforming the 360 in any tangiable way but what I am trying to demonstrate is the competetivness of the PS3 and it's sales potential ,the 360 has the advantage for now but it wouldn't take much more than a price cut to eat that lead away (obviously a price cut would have serious implications for Sony and is looking very unlikely until spring.)

 

 

lol, can I nominate that for fanboy sentence of the year?

It really boggles me that people actually have the idea that MS is cheating here, like it's a game. It's business and MS is doing it better than Sony.



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Gobias on 26 November 2008
atma998 said:
Simulacrum said:
So what you expected for Xbox 360?
It frikkin costs 189€.
vs 479e.
=290€.
You can buy both PSP and Ds with it.
Or buy Xbox 360 and Wii.
Parents are going "o my son needs that console which should I buy"? Hmmm Ps3 479€ geez or hmm XBox 360 for 189€.
Hmmm.
Hmm.

 

 So? That doesn't change the fact that Wii and X360 are currently beating the hell out of PS3.

So you're still butthurt over being ripped to shreds in that thread where you said GT5 would only sell 4 million lifetime?

 



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DMeisterJ on 26 November 2008
NJ5 said:
DMeisterJ said:
Could we please get back on topic of discussing the weekly sales in America this week?

Please?

Talking about prices is pretty related to sales I'd say.

But talking about whether or not Sony will make a profit is not. 

But I digress. 

It's become the status quo for this community. 

I should learn not to expect too much from the people here.



nightsurge on 26 November 2008
Million said:
nightsurge said:
Million said:
NJ5 said:
Million said:

 

You have to have a more desirable expensive   No really desirable. product to generate more revenue with less units sold , it's as simple as that.

Fix'd ;)

 

 

If you were comparing items that sold in there 10's - 100's then you might have a point , but we're looking at mass market products , 1. you can't generate more revenue than your closest competitor simply by making your console more expensive , doing that will almost certainly kill your sales unless the consumer feels the product justifies the price.

2.  Guess how well the 360 would perform at the PS3's current price point or vice versa.

 

1.  You mean like exactly as it is now?  PS3 sales being destroyed because of their expensive price.

2.  I'm tired of people saying this.  If the 360 really did cost that much, it would have to be justified.  Meaning the 360 would have many more features and additives, thus STILL making it more appealing than the PS3.  Sheesh, do people ever think things all the way through, or do they just take one fanboy's words for granted and start spouting it elsewhere?

 

1. My point wasn't that the PS3 was performing better than the 360 , my point was there is still more desire for the PS3 than there is the 360 . The PS3 would perform far better at an equal price point , that can't be disputed.

2. Are you responding to my point or pulling stuff outa your arse ? . The 360's is highly dependant on it's predatory price point for it's huge sales , the further you push the price up the bigger the sales drop off you'll witness . For most of this year the PS3 was "destroying" the 360 with a much higher price point but it was combination of the 360 price cut (bringing it in the price range of the PS2/PSP) and the ecnomic situation which played to the PS3's disadvantage.

It can't be argued in anyway that the PS3 is outperforming the 360 in any tangiable way but what I am trying to demonstrate is the competetivness of the PS3 and it's sales potential ,the 360 has the advantage for now but it wouldn't take much more than a price cut to eat that lead away (obviously a price cut would have serious implications for Sony and is looking very unlikely until spring.)

 

1.  Again, you don't get it, do you?  The PS3 could never BE at the same price point unless the 360 costed more (meaning it would include more) or the PS3 costed less (meaning it would have removed stuff or taken a heavier loss).  And you can't say there is more desire for the PS3 if it is selling far less.  That just contradicts all the numbers and is just stupid.

2.  Again, you just don't get it!  The price wouldn't be pushed up unless there was reason to!  Such as improved hardware that would match or beat Sony's!  Sheesh, PLEASE learn.  For most of the year, the PS3 was only $50 more than a 360's 20GB model.  A PS3 with 40GB HDD and Blu-Ray was a great deal for $400 back then.  Now, however, people can get great deals on the Arcade and still have it cost $180 less than the PS3's base console.  Blu-Ray players have dropped in price, and MS has Netflix now.



famousringo on 26 November 2008
tabsina said:

Can someone explain to me why products would sell well on black friday? (i know it will i'm just not sure why)

Ender said:

 

Yeah, this is telling a different story:

 

http://wiitracker.com/

 

 

Interesting that the cheapest "In Stock" listing is not a bundle, yet its $315.. 

Leo, what stores are you going to? (or did you take a stab at how the stock was looking?)

 

Wii supply was looking very healthy for a couple weeks there. But times change, people buy, shipments deplete. Stock was really good and it just got bought up. I'm sure there's more stock lying in wait for Black Friday. So Leo-j isn't way off in asserting that Wii stock is plentiful, he's just a little behind the times.

As for why things sell well on Black Friday, it's the first long weekend of the holiday season in the US. That turns it into orgy of consumerism. People spend like crazy and retailers egg them on to get them to spend at their store with special promotions.



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Gobias on 26 November 2008
mrstickball said:
WiiStation360 said:
Impressive 360 sales once again.

Sony fans need to calm down. (and 360 fans as well)

I do not see the increasing 360 lead over the PS3 as that big of a deal in the long term. Third parties will need sales on both consoles to make back the huge HD development cost. Publishers are not going to suddenly dump development for a console with 22% market share to develop solely for the console with 29% market share.

Very good analysis.

Even if this beatdown that Microsoft is giving Sony (relatively) was to continue indefinately, the likely scenario is that 3rd parties drop exclusivity support entirely for the Playstation 3 - no Vs. XIII, no exclusive KH3 (if it came to PS3, and not the Wii), and so on.

In the end, it MAY help the X360 to see limited, continued support of a few 3rd party exclusives, here and there, which would primarily be X360/PC-centric titles.

If this leads to Valkyria Chronicles coming to the X360, as well as Vs. XIII, I am all for it :)

 

Just like how no one made exclusives for the gamecube.

Oh, wait.

 



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