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NJ5 said:
Skeeuk said:
NJ5 said:
radha said:
anyone thinks that sony will have money for the ps4's is R&D with the ps3 not making real profit? i mean it will never make back is R&D and production cost. The ps3 erased the ps2 LTD profits so i wonder if they will have any money to develop the PS4, if there is a PS4?

It depends... Sony will have money for some things but not for others. They'll have to choose... Should they keep their phone and music business or not? Should they have so many TV models or not? Should they be in the gaming market or not?

Hard decisions are coming, but I won't pretend to know the outcome.

 


 

how the hell do u know all that? ur talking jibberish

Because the loss of revenue due to exchange rates (around 15-20%) is much larger than their profit margins. I'd be surprised if Sony's losses were less than $1.5 billion in this quarter, and I'd say "wow" if they manage to lose less than a billion. Only some massive hedging could do that, and nothing I've seen points in that direction.

I have posted the calculations elsewhere but it's getting tiring so I won't do it again. Just wait two months for the financial report.

 

 

You mean Sony right? Not SCE.

I agree that Sony will have a bad Quarter, but not as bad as you say. The exchange rate only affects part of their busienss, since they have business all over the world.
Don't expect a loss for Sony, but if things continue we might see a loss for SCE, which is devestating in the most important Q of the year. LBP, Motorstorm and Resistance didn't sell amazing and are not the profit makers SCE needs. Another negative financial year will seriously affect SCE I'm afraid. Sony was very unhappy last year, but this year they won't have the means to carry the SCE burden anymore, because the whole company is performing bad.



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Mummelmann said:
Lol, I now officially pity Sony and their (clearly) struggling console. At this rate, they'll lose even more support, making the PS3 an even more obscure choice in this gen. Red numbers be damned, they need to act now or have little to no hope of leaving a mark on this gen for me (its not how many consoles you sell, N64 was a brilliant console despite low sales but low sales equal poor support and that's no good!).


I doubt it.  Make Multiplatform games, make 360 exclusive games or make wii games.

Considering the Wii game option isn't a favorite among some developers....

Make a 360 game or spend an extra 15% for a PS3 version?

Seems like an obvious choice to me.  PS3 can sell more then 15% the software of the 360.

 



Wow. So much Sony hate in here.

OT:

I'll take Burgles' phrase to describe this weeks sales.

Wow... Just WOW!



@nightssurge.......................going from ur reasoning.......the 399 ps3 outselling the previously priced 360 obviously it proved more value to consumer............if sony manufactured ps3 with an even closer margain that was previous if u know what i mean........then it wud stand to reason according to wat u said regarding major ps3 price drop..........ps3e would again outsell 360



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BengaBenga said:
NJ5 said:

Because the loss of revenue due to exchange rates (around 15-20%) is much larger than their profit margins. I'd be surprised if Sony's losses were less than $1.5 billion in this quarter, and I'd say "wow" if they manage to lose less than a billion. Only some massive hedging could do that, and nothing I've seen points in that direction.

I have posted the calculations elsewhere but it's getting tiring so I won't do it again. Just wait two months for the financial report.

 

 

You mean Sony right? Not SCE.

I agree that Sony will have a bad Quarter, but not as bad as you say. The exchange rate only affects part of their busienss, since they have business all over the world.
Don't expect a loss for Sony, but if things continue we might see a loss for SCE, which is devestating in the most important Q of the year. LBP, Motorstorm and Resistance didn't sell amazing and are not the profit makers SCE needs. Another negative financial year will seriously affect SCE I'm afraid. Sony was very unhappy last year, but this year they won't have the means to carry the SCE burden anymore, because the whole company is performing bad.

I mean Sony as a whole. 80% of their sales are done overseas (which I took into account), and the numbers I put in my post are actually less than half of the losses which would happen if all their business was concentrated in Japan.

The same analysis correctly predicted their drop in profits in the second quarter, but hedging might also interfere with it which is why I said $1.5 billion instead of the $3 billion which would happen under normal conditions.

I'll bet anyone that Sony will be in the red this quarter.

 



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WiiStation360 said:
no one will dare launch a console for over $400 next generation.

 

No PS4 ?!



I love it, sales numbers change around for a short time, suddenly the outcome of the entire gen is set in stone.

You people are hilarious.



As in go buy us some coffee.

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So when did a thread about American Sales become a thread about whether or not Sony as a whole would make money this quarter?

Please, keep the Sony bashing about financials in the proper thread.



nightsurge said:
Million said:
NJ5 said:
Million said:

 

You have to have a more desirable expensive   No really desirable. product to generate more revenue with less units sold , it's as simple as that.

Fix'd ;)

 

 

If you were comparing items that sold in there 10's - 100's then you might have a point , but we're looking at mass market products , 1. you can't generate more revenue than your closest competitor simply by making your console more expensive , doing that will almost certainly kill your sales unless the consumer feels the product justifies the price.

2.  Guess how well the 360 would perform at the PS3's current price point or vice versa.

 

1.  You mean like exactly as it is now?  PS3 sales being destroyed because of their expensive price.

2.  I'm tired of people saying this.  If the 360 really did cost that much, it would have to be justified.  Meaning the 360 would have many more features and additives, thus STILL making it more appealing than the PS3.  Sheesh, do people ever think things all the way through, or do they just take one fanboy's words for granted and start spouting it elsewhere?

 

1. My point wasn't that the PS3 was performing better than the 360 , my point was there is still more desire for the PS3 than there is the 360 . The PS3 would perform far better at an equal price point , that can't be disputed.

2. Are you responding to my point or pulling stuff outa your arse ? . The 360's is highly dependant on it's predatory price point for it's huge sales , the further you push the price up the bigger the sales drop off you'll witness . For most of this year the PS3 was "destroying" the 360 with a much higher price point but it was combination of the 360 price cut (bringing it in the price range of the PS2/PSP) and the ecnomic situation which played to the PS3's disadvantage.

It can't be argued in anyway that the PS3 is outperforming the 360 in any tangiable way but what I am trying to demonstrate is the competetivness of the PS3 and it's sales potential ,the 360 has the advantage for now but it wouldn't take much more than a price cut to eat that lead away (obviously a price cut would have serious implications for Sony and is looking very unlikely until spring.)

 




DMeisterJ said:
Wow. So much Sony hate in here.

OT:

I'll take Burgles' phrase to describe this weeks sales.

Wow... Just WOW!

i cnt understand wats the hate for either..........i can understand ppl liking 360 more nothing wrong in that..........but some act as if they want sony off the map..........all them yers they enjoyed the ps1 then ps2 and suddenly simply because they bought a 360 1st...........theve decided ps3 has 2 go lol

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