@alfredo: I said 2009 is indeed gonna be the year of third party games for the Wii. But I also said it's gonna be the worst year ever for 1st party games on a Nintendo console.

None of those 1st party games are coming out in the Americas save for the ones I named. I believe that Japan is the last core Nintendo bastion that remains in the world, with more than triple the amount of games published by Nintendo getting released there in comparison to America and Europe. I believe that Nintendo doesn't need core gamers in order to succeed outside Japan, that's why they are not gonna release any of those games they announcved at their conference, save for the ones I named (Unless Reggie decides that those games arent suited for Americans, since they are too violent, they involve guns and blood or sex (FF4, Disaster, Captain Rainbow. That's too dangerous for people)

Ugh this whole casual and hardcore thing really is getting old... It makes me sick to hear it over and over again. You don't like Wii-fine. You don't like the games on it-fine. But geez, does everyone need to make such a big deal out of it? Why so much hate? It's 100% pointless and won't give you any benefits... You'll only look like a big geeky idiot bitching about a console on the internet. Why don't you go play your so called "hardcore" games instead of bashing Wii?

Seems like people have nothing better to do... It's pathetic! *Sigh*

This goes also for people bitching about other consoles too... Just I hear more whining over the Wii these days.

So difficulty determines what's hardcore?

 Its about barriers to entry, longtime gamers don't like that just anyone can play, they want it to be hard so only people who want to invest a lot of time can play

You let him answer, mister, it's a DTG-aimed question and I expect a DTG answer.

And that definition is ridiculous past reasoning. Ssomeone who can beat Donkey Kong is a hardcore gamer but that does not necessarily make Donkey Kong a hardcore game.

 Oh i'm not saying that I agree , but I have talked to others who have voiced that sentiment

I do not like their faces, sir!

You would think a "professional" would find a different word besides harcore.

Anyways I like this:

"Has Nintendo lost the hardcore gamer? Depends: Do you mean the Halo and Gears of War fans who want M-rated titles? Yes, they lost them like eight years ago when they failed to follow up on the success of Goldeneye in any meaningful way. But do you mean the gamer who cares about fun, challenging, traditional videogames no matter what they look like? No, Nintendo has not lost these people," says Chris Kohler of Wired, who points to the company's 2009 lineup as proof.

Ah the cries of the so-called hardcore gamers as their dominance of the market is washed away by the whims and fancies of little girls, soccer moms and seniors.

I'm hardly hardcore, but that's nothing to be proud. Lowest common denominator is always trash.