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DonWii on 31 July 2007

^ I wouldn't say 10 years, but I would give them 6-7, which is more than others would give it.



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Kasz216 on 31 July 2007
AllAll said:
"statement comes as several industry pundits "

Not just patcher.

Several industry pundits said the wii was a joke and woudln't sell before it was released.

 How'd that work out?  Pundits used to think people would tire of videogames as a whole.

Graphics are about the least important thing to a game.  If you've got to games that are equally as good.  Yeah better graphics matter.  Other then that though they're just there to make things pretty.  



Lord N on 31 July 2007
HappySqurriel said:

The combination of primarily Gamecube and PS2 ports on the Wii means that its graphics are already far below the PS3 or XBox 360s graphics and yet it outsells both systems combined ... In 18 months when the Wii really starts to hit its stride with a massive quanitity of high quality third party games it is suddenly going to seem gimicky and old compared to the PS3 and XBox 360 and stop selling?

What people never seem to understand is that third party support is linked directly to sales (not processing power); by the time the PS3 and XBox 360 hit a price where customers will consider their platform the Wii will have captured such a dominant marketshare that third parties will be focusing all their efforts on the Wii. The higher processing power and lack of Wiimote controlls will act as a negative for the PS3 and XBox 360 because developers will doubt the can produce worthwhile ports for a reasonable price (after all they would have to dramatically improve the graphics), reconsider the entire control scheme, all for a tiny portion of the market.

 

You act as though demand for traditional games with traditional control schemes just died at the moment the Wii was released, which couldn't be further from the truth. The Wii's marketshare will be largely composed of non-gamers who wouldn't have bought a PS3 or 360 anyway, and traditional gamers are buying it as a secondary console or as a stop-gap product until the 360 or PS3 siginificantly reduce in price.More third parties will support the Wii, but they'll probably just develop a bunch of party games, mini-games, and other titles that have the Wiimote forced in just for the hell of it. Traditional games that require stronger hardware and better online capabilities are always going to be bigger. Even Nintendo's upcoming first-party titles are far more looked forward to than anything any third-party has on the table, Wiimote or no Wiimote.The Wii isn't selling well because of software, anyway. It's selling well because it's cheap and trendy, so thrid-parties will make cheap games to make a quick buck because it's easy to develop for, but their big guns are going to be on the PS3 and 360.

 



 

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Lord N on 31 July 2007
HappySqurriel said:

 

  1. People buy the system which has the games they desire
  2. The system with the most games has the most games that people desire
  3. The system with the largest userbase attracts the most games

By March 31st 2008 the Wii will have outsold the XBox 360 and PS3 combined worldwide, and by January 1st 2009 the Wii will have outsold the PS3 and XBox 360 combined in every region. From that point on the Wii will be $100+ less expensive than the XBox 360 and PS3, and have (a lot) more games so why are people going to buy the PS3 or XBox 360?


 

"More games" doesn't automatically =  "the games they desire."

 People will buy the PS3 and 360 because they'll have the bigger games.

 

 



 

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KruzeS on 31 July 2007
And to those that think the Wii will just stop selling.

It was at 6 million shipped March 2007.
It'll be at 22 million shipped March 2008 (16 million for the year).
It's quite feasible that it'll be at 40 million shipped March 2009 (18 million for the year).

That's a pretty successful console already. But OK, let's imagine it suddenly becomes generally perceived as an outdated piece of technology, superseded my more powerful, though more expensive, competitors. You know what other successful console fits that profile? The PS2. So just how much has the PS2 sold since the 360 and the PS3 came out? 14 million shipped last year; 11 million predicted this year. That means 10 million a year for the Wii is still quite feasible from then on, for as long as Nintendo supports it, even if it's seen as no more than a cheap, outdated device.

So if you're seriously thinking less than 60 million Wiis for the generation, you're in for a big surprise.

Reality has a Nintendo bias.
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DonWii on 31 July 2007
Lord N said:
HappySqurriel said:
You act as though demand for traditional games with traditional control schemes just died at the moment the Wii was released, which couldn't be further from the truth. The Wii's marketshare will be largely composed of non-gamers who wouldn't have bought a PS3 or 360 anyway, and traditional gamers are buying it as a secondary console or as a stop-gap product until the 360 or PS3 siginificantly reduce in price.More third parties will support the Wii, but they'll probably just develop a bunch of party games, mini-games, and other titles that have the Wiimote forced in just for the hell of it. Traditional games that require stronger hardware and better online capabilities are always going to be bigger. Even Nintendo's upcoming first-party titles are far more looked forward to than anything any third-party has on the table, Wiimote or no Wiimote.The Wii isn't selling well because of software, anyway. It's selling well because it's cheap and trendy, so thrid-parties will make cheap games to make a quick buck because it's easy to develop for, but their big guns are going to be on the PS3 and 360.

 


You act as though everything you say is fact, which couldn't be further from the truth. Just because it is difficult for YOU to understand that someone who owned a PS2/Xbox last gen would want to upgrade with a Wii INSTEAD of a PS3/360 does not mean it isn't happening.

The rest of your statements are speculation and, while I could argue otherwise, the fact that you STILL believe that is the case means that there is no convincing you.



GF on 31 July 2007

Doesn't all this graphic whores realize the PS2, a console released last century, is beating both PS3 and 360 at the moment and has the worst graphics than anything last gen? Why do they claim the Wii will lose because of its graphics?



naznatips on 31 July 2007
DonWii said:
Lord N said:
HappySqurriel said:
You act as though demand for traditional games with traditional control schemes just died at the moment the Wii was released, which couldn't be further from the truth. The Wii's marketshare will be largely composed of non-gamers who wouldn't have bought a PS3 or 360 anyway, and traditional gamers are buying it as a secondary console or as a stop-gap product until the 360 or PS3 siginificantly reduce in price.More third parties will support the Wii, but they'll probably just develop a bunch of party games, mini-games, and other titles that have the Wiimote forced in just for the hell of it. Traditional games that require stronger hardware and better online capabilities are always going to be bigger. Even Nintendo's upcoming first-party titles are far more looked forward to than anything any third-party has on the table, Wiimote or no Wiimote.The Wii isn't selling well because of software, anyway. It's selling well because it's cheap and trendy, so thrid-parties will make cheap games to make a quick buck because it's easy to develop for, but their big guns are going to be on the PS3 and 360.

 


You act as though everything you say is fact, which couldn't be further from the truth. Just because it is difficult for YOU to understand that someone who owned a PS2/Xbox last gen would want to upgrade with a Wii INSTEAD of a PS3/360 does not mean it isn't happening.

The rest of your statements are speculation and, while I could argue otherwise, the fact that you STILL believe that is the case means that there is no convincing you.


Ah the classic "There are no REAL gamers who own Wiis" argument.  Always a fun one.  



TWRoO on 31 July 2007

@happysquirrel i with the bit about Wii having a userbase more than ps3 + 360 WW by march [if not it will be close]
but having a larger userbase than ps3 and 360 combined in all the regions by jan 09 seems unlikely, it will take at least till mid 08 to catch the 360 in US, if not even later.

no way the Wiis lifespan is less than 5 years [lifespan being until next console release]. the slow increase in people owning HD televisions is not going to kill it because HD is not what people care about when playing Wii.



shams on 31 July 2007
AllAll said:

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=126268

"The statement comes as several industry pundits suggest that Wii's success will gradually fade given the console's dated graphics technology. The long-standing argument is that both core and casual gamers will grow wary of Wii's novelty once Xbox 360 and PS3 graphics hit their full strid"

yep.

These pundits have now lost all credibility.

At the moment, its Nintendo one set up, serving for the second set at 5-0. If this continues, it will be a 6-0,6-0,6-0 whitewash around the middle of next year.

 

 



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