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GranTurismoHelperMax on 17 November 2008

2011. 11/11/11 just seems to be a perfect date (it lands on a fri). 2009 should see the best of PS3 finally due to GT5, FF13, and GoW3. I wouldn't imagine how the Wii would hold up but I think after 2009, the 360's DVD space drive will take a toll on the amount of storage for a game so the PS3 should gain the upper advantage. 2010 should see the announcements of the new consoles and on 2011, I predict the new Xbox will be the first next-gen console to be released. Nintendo I beleive will come out 2nd because the advancements of HD will leave some companies out they wish to develop games more powerful rather then to stick with the same old technology, and it should be cheaper to. Sony, no clue, but my guess it's 2012 for them unless PS3 fails in 2009 for some reason.



Above I'm a proud Gran Turismo fan, not a Sony fanboy, and now a proud 360 owner, but sharing xbox live accts ATM

End of 2009 Predictions (made Jan 1, 2009): My predictions were pretty accurate, the 360 was over and the Wii was just under.

Wii: 65 mil (yea I'm crazy) 360: 35 mil (its getting there) PS3: 30 mil (the slim better do well)

End of 2010 Predictions (made Jan 7, 2010):

Wii: 81 mil  360: 47 mil PS3: 45 mil


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HappySqurriel on 17 November 2008
lapsed_gamer said:
scottie said:
lapsed_gamer said:
I think that it could be Nintendo first. When it finally comes time to drop the price I could see them adding a Wii HD at the same time (sort of like DS upgrades.) It would upscale current games and new games could either be Wii HD only or have more flexibility like PC games to run on different hardware.

 

Nintendo have never been first, except maybe the NES. The Wii was released last, despite the GC being on 1/5th the sales of the PS2

 

Nintendo hate generational changes, and have gone on record saying (not direct quotes, I'm paraphrasing)

It's unfair to customers to make them pay for a console too frequently

It's only people that are running at a loss or have low marketshare that force a generational change too early.

How do you explain the DS? Also, people wouldn't have to upgrade. PC games run on dozens of hardware combinations, developers could handle programming to run on two.

 

The DS lite and DSi are (basically) the same as the original DS ...

Much like Sony's PS2, PS2 slimline, PSX and PSTwo these systems are just minor changes in configuration of a system in order to make them more attractive as they age. Claiming a system like this is a "Next Generation" product is like claiming that Sony has already started the next generation because they eliminated backwards compatibility from the PS3 while increasing hard-drive space.



coolestguyever on 17 November 2008

well the first will be the next xbox console.

So the 360 was 2005. I'd give it a solid 6 years and say 2011 which is a lot considering the original xbox lasted 4 years.



flagship on 18 November 2008

I see the next Xbox launching in 2011 to gain another year advantage on the competition.



Squilliam on 18 November 2008
Zucas said:
MS and Sony are losing way too much money off the current platforms and the chances of time improving that situation with Wii dominance is not positive. Not to mention we've seen how well their published and developed games have sold. Most software sold on their platforms comes from the 3rd parties meaning they aren't having their software push them even.

Point being they can't stick with the consoles for much longer... especially MS. Sony may still be looking to the future but it's hard to think MS still can especially wiht a little upward momentum. MS could surprise us and have the Xbox 3 out by late 2009 but more probable we'll see it in 2010. And if MS releases then Sony will have to compete.

As for Nintendo its hard to think they can support Wii too much longer in the future. 2009 though might be their peak year but once again they'll have to compete and at least release N6 by 2011. They are hoping MS and Sony will continue their theories of an extended gen and be able to shaft them. 2013 is simply outrageous though. Anything after 2012 is outrageous. You think Sony and MS are going to seriously sit in there and take all those losses for that long then you are crazy. They've realized by now, at least Sony, that they can't profit from this and abandoning ship may be the best idea. Hell Sony's change could be so drastic that the next console from them may not even be called the Playstation.

Especially Sony, not Microsoft.

Microsoft = profitable, Sony = still can't see the light to get out of the hole they've dug.

 



Tease.

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lapsed_gamer on 18 November 2008

@HappySqurriel
The main point of bringing up the DS was to show that Nintendo is willing to put products on the market just to get people to rebuy.

What purpose could a WiiHD serve? Right now Wii is not getting its share of the multi-plat titles. (Note this does not read third party.) A WiiHD could change that. I know it is too late, but imagine a Nintendo anouncement that FF13 would be on the Wii in Japan (just trying to demonstrate a point, I know it is impossible.)

Who would having a new Wii anger? Not the new casuals, they wouldn't really care. Either they wouldn't upgrade (most likely) or they are used to Ipod generations and five years would seem long. As for the core, it could prevent some of them from becoming two-console owners for third parties.



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HappySqurriel on 18 November 2008
lapsed_gamer said:
@HappySqurriel
The main point of bringing up the DS was to show that Nintendo is willing to put products on the market just to get people to rebuy.

What purpose could a WiiHD serve? Right now Wii is not getting its share of the multi-plat titles. (Note this does not read third party.) A WiiHD could change that. I know it is too late, but imagine a Nintendo anouncement that FF13 would be on the Wii in Japan (just trying to demonstrate a point, I know it is impossible.)

Who would having a new Wii anger? Not the new casuals, they wouldn't really care. Either they wouldn't upgrade (most likely) or they are used to Ipod generations and five years would seem long. As for the core, it could prevent some of them from becoming two-console owners for third parties.

 

So, let me get this straight ...

Your argument is that a large portion of the Wii's userbase (and one of Nintendo's key target demographics) will not buy a Wii HD, and Nintendo would abandon these gamers to gain access to games which have failed to hurt Wii sales so far. That's a winning strategy!

 



code.samurai on 18 November 2008
HappySqurriel said:

Maybe I’m slow, but I don’t understand why anyone would think that Nintendo would release a "Wii HD" unless it was just a Wii system with a built in scaler.

Why would Nintendo choose to dramatically increase their software development costs, hurt their hardware profitability, injure their image with fans (by having a short lived product), and sacrifice further sales of what will become their most popular home console ever when they're not being pressured by anyone? This would be a lot like a hockey team that was up 3 to 1 after their first period sending all of their best players home so they can show off the talent of their rookies ... Its a losing strategy that only a moron would use.

Funny, I believed morons are people who can't see past their opinions casted on their asses.  In any case, your analogy is moronic and if I need explain why then I'd be insulting you.  Your perplexing dilemma is actually very simple, they can offer rebates to existing customers, trade-ins and stuff like that.  I believe Nintendo likes to pleasantly surprise their user base, you know because they're not really a hockey team, they're more like a casino.  Think about it.

 



RED53DEVILS on 18 November 2008

2011 ALL THREE COULD RELEASE.

2012 ALL WOULD DEFINITELY RELEASE IF NOT THE PREVIOUS



code.samurai on 18 November 2008
RED53DEVILS said:
2011 ALL THREE COULD RELEASE.

2012 ALL WOULD DEFINITELY RELEASE IF NOT THE PREVIOUS

Capslock is cruise control for cool.   Anyway, according to people on this thread you should have voted 2009.  They must be wrong.