if shoppers get going in oct and go strong all dec, quite possible.

They just need a killer app for the xmas season.

now i can see the truth: 4d (whatever it might be) is the key to PS3 world domination...x360 and wii don't know what 4d is: they're doomed

yes

@DK ok well 4D with no more specification for most scientist in the world it will mean you are using a time variable and it is like that since the einstein relativity theory....

but you are right you can have a fourth spatial dimension, but usually it is specified and use an additional terminology.... and you have other way. but you have to admit that, thrown like that in conversation with people having a minimum scientific knowledge, it is likely to be considered as time.....

now 4D for PS3 is a total marketing deformation from Sony like nobody else know how to do it... and it can be said for most of their products.....


now people about the numbers i'm not a statistic fan ( i mean i like to analyse them not to do them lol) so i want give out any numbers for this year and even less for next year....

but what some people seem to forget is what is going to be the advertising and marketing strategy not only of the different constructors but also retailers, developers, and word of mouth.... with two mammoth like Sony and MS it's a long shot to prophesies anything for 2008....

with best buy clearly taking a stand for XB.... with blockbuster announcing doing only blu ray.... with MS developing hd content downloadable worldwide.... with wall mart ordering I don't remember how many cheap HD players... with MS who is keeping secret most of their new exclusive.... yes sony has more announced right now.... but that might be their downfall too... anybody who thinks MS won't have anything to offer to match Sony in 2008 is a fool..... without saying that MS is more than likely willing to put green on the table to buy some of Sony exclusives... what you've heard at E3 2007 for 2008 is to take with great caution....

you want some facts, a lot of studies shows that most consumer think they don't react to advertising, when the same studies show that most people in fact do react to it....so wait before doing any guess, consumer behavior is complicated science.... but do you think corporations would be investing that much money into advertising and marketing operations if it wasn't efficient ???

now in france and in most if not all europe, retailers can advertise on TV (i don't know about japan) that is going to play a roll too. because even if Sony and MS and nintendo are doing a good or bad job on their side... the retailer advertisings are going to play a big roll in that matter.... MS and Sony are going to pay millions if not billions on the long run to have their product displayed and advertise in priority.....

but my personal belief is that Sony PS3 will never pass MS XB360 in 2008 total ww sale and probably will not in 2009...... and the reason is simply that MS will do everything in their power to prevent sony to close the gap.... and trust me they have power and willpower for that.... Sony might sell as well as MS but with one year delay.... which will prevent them to close it....

well anyway everybody should at least wait until September and the end of all the convention and the reaction of the professional to make any educated guess..... but in any case if Sony PS3 Christmas sales are a failure and MS XB360 does well I'm pretty sure PS3 will never comeback.... and sony might then be hurt for the next generation especially if the stock holders start to get shy.... but that as any other speculation is a pure wild guess....

for that war the fog is going to dissipate around the end of January mid February 2008

Even as a Sony Fan (not fanboy and hellfire/brimstone fall upon you if you label me otherwise :P) I do not forsee the 11mil mark being hit by the end of 2007. I'm thinking that the 9 mil number might be the more reasonable number unless Sony really starts to kick things off right with the new 80GB SKU.

As for the assumption that the PS3 "wont ever come back" if the XB360 sells really well this christmas I do not believe that will be the case either. Like the PS2 and PS1 before it the PS3 is trailing in the numbers from the start, but as history has said they have managed to play catch up pretty well in the end.

And yes it is price that holds back Sony, not demand. To say that people would not buy a PS3 if it was at a more reasonable price is ignorance. In fact, the price is the only thing holding back the PS3 if you really listen to the consumer.

"Man, the PS3 looks awesome and they have some cool games coming out, but I just cant throw down 600 dollars any time soon."

People, like myself, have held off on purchasing a next-gen system because they are so lavishly priced. Except for the Wii, but i hardly classify that as a next-gen console, and I have perfectly legitimate reasons for believing this.

Please, the PS2 did not start slowly.

Sell 11 mil by year's end '07? Yeah right. NO. Not even by the end of the fiscal year. Year's end '08? It damn well better have sold that much. Otherwise, the little faith I have in the aforementioned titles will probably be drowned (utter crap, of course, I'll own a Ps3 for the games, when games that I want, that I can't get on the 360, come out).

Half of this thread is arguing about some 4D crap. Come on people. Anyways the PS3 will not hit 11 million by years end. Yes it will hit 11 million at the end of next year.

 QFT.

And if someone brings up that damned "Align PS2 and PS3 launches" graphic to "prove" their point, my wrath will be terrible.

At what point in time was the PS2 trailing in sales to the Dreamcast, Gamecube or XBox?

The PS3 is selling worldwide at approximately the same rate that the PS2 sold IN JAPAN, and is selling at a similar rate to what the Playstation (a new gaming product from a non-gaming company with no strong first party or third party titles [at this point in its life]) sold.