Strategyking92 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:
Logical opposite of everything is so perfect is that there exists one thing which isn't. That said, I can list you pages and pages of things that aren't even close to perfect.
Edit: On topic:
The way I see things, Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, etc. were probbaly one of the best liars in the world, also the greatest leaders. I don't think there is a god the way anyone else thinks there is. There is no heave, no hell, none of that psiritual crap. However, maybe something started the universe, maybe it was a whole race of things, maybe they are in some other dimension/time/whatever, maybe it wass on accident or maybe it was on purrpose. One thing still remains though is that after they created the univers, if something actually did, they stopped giving a shit about, or have no control over it so praying to them or hoping they could do something to change things is absolutely retarded and a waste of breath, time, or life.
I call this my homebrewed religion.
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treading on dangerous ground, my friend.
I mean, do you think entire cities lied about his miracles? And even if you tried to argue about the entire (or the important parts anyway) bible being fiction, I would have to argue about the hell christians went through, so no reason for them to lie about a savior unless it was actually real.
I'm sorry, I just have very strong feelings about this matter when someone calls my savior a "liar", even though it is becoming even more commonplace in the world.
OT: christian! w00t!
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I once knew a missionary that spent time preaching in Papua New Guinea. He said it's like going back in time when you go there, that it's mostly tribal towns and villages that know almost nothing of the outside world, many of whom didn't even know white people existed and were often times terrified of him.
Point is the people from these towns and villages told all sorts of stories of miracles. Healing men that could cure diseases, banish demons, bring their dead loved ones back to life, grant incredible hunting prowess to those they favored, and all sorts of other things. Alternatively they told stories of wicked men that would steal your soul, cause grave illness or cause aches and pains. Any anthropologist, missionary, and other people that go there quickly realize these things aren't true.
Why would entire towns lie about something like that? They wouldn't, they just are uneducated by modern standards and live in a mindset where a bug bite giving you malaria is absurd and a man with a bone through his nose is more likely the cause of your illness and eventual demise. They live in a world where magic is possible and thusly when attempting to explain ordinary day to day things will ascribe supernatural reasons, and then in time these get passed down and exaggerated greatly.
The jews and romans of ancient times lived in well...ancient times. Much like the people of Papua New Guinea they don't know jack and just make crap up. Furthermore there is no historical record outside of 4 gospels that say Jesus did any of that. And then highly uneducated people don't think twice about believing it. That's how legends get made.
And you think christians are the only ones who went through crap? They were the dominant world power for over a millinia, I'm not going to feel too sorry for what they had to go through. Seems like the Jews and the Muslims went through a hell of alot more, usually at the hands of christians. I guess the Jews were liars and were doing it for nothing though...
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OBJECTION!
Ha, I know it may seem strange to you, seeing as how religious people believe in something from the past, and are totally ignorant. But I know There are still places in the world that are not civilized, some placed engulfed in isolation, war.
*HIGHLIGHTED* I was arguing the fact that early followers of jesus had no reason for preaching about a false prophet. They obviously witnessed his miracles.
Yes, the muslims went through crap, but they were almost defeated until another saudi tribe intervened because of they thought a divine entity was helping muhammad and his tribe. They would've been destroyed if they hadn't gotten help... As for the Jews, I don't know, they might've just gotten the bad side of the coin flip.
And so we can clarify this: The differences between Rome and New guinea are... everything. Rome at least had basic medicine and technology and an understanding of things. It would be like comparing Cave men with Roman people.... So if you didn't know the difference.
*UNDERLINED* the thing about the christian faith is that we actually have documents from the time, of the apostles speaking. yes, I guess they could be exaggerated.... I don't believe so..... but what they (apostles) preached is that jesus was lord. Back then you had tons of religions, choosing the one that was the most likely to get you killed wouldn't have been a wise one, unless you genuinely believed it would deliver you from hell. Not to mention the fact that , since Rome isn't Guinea, I might remind you, the origins of the christian faith had to actually start. And that means jesus had to be special in some way, and to chrsitans, that means he is the divine. Otherwise, he would've just have been a kook back in those days.
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