Do you believe in god, if not do you believe in something else?

[vlad321]

Kasz216 said:

vlad321 said:

Kasz216 said:

chapset said:

Personally I don't really believe in the god they talk about in the bible, it's too human made, but i do believe something else must be the reason why everything is so perfect, every little thing on earth and in the universe has a purpose, an utility. So it made me wonder what is beyond all this? sometimes i just say to my self: this is crazy talk, things are the way they are for no good reason it's just like that. And since gamers are the smartest being on earth and have a lot of time to waist maybe you guys and girls (not likely) could help me clear this.

That's basically called "Deism".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

Old Honest Abe Lincoln was a Deist.

Benjamin Franklin too i believe.

 

Deism only came about back in the day (several centuries ago) so that scientific and political leaders could say they don't believe in god without them commiting social suicide.

The church would have ridiculued ANY scientist back then if he didn't admit to god, and hoenstly, would Lincoln have been even considered if he outright said he didn't believe in god? Same thing with Franklin, most people would have thorown him in the "godless damned" pile and not listened to any reason.

Really? 

Because from my research it looked like Deism was created because of the pointless struggles between different religions in an attempt to get them to all agree on the main points they had... basically the guy hated the church and wanted something better... i forget his name.  Some british lord.

Ah it's in the Wikipedia Edward Herbert Cherbury...

still looks similar to that after all the reforms and such.  So i'm going to say you have a bit of a misconception there.

 

 

Oh I agree that Deism covers the very general points of most religions, pure theism at its best. That does not remove the fact that it is being used and probably its strongest perprotrators only used it so that they wouldn't be completely discreditted by every single church in existance, especially when the church had so much power back in the day. Deism is a cop-out reiligion for people that want to be believed and not discreditted (or to not get diowned by yourparents) and it has always made me sad to know people had to go to such extents to be heard.