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I don't understand why the Nintendo 64, and Nintendo Gamecube are disliked by so many? Most of the best games in existence were made for the Nintendo 64, and Nintendo Gamecube:


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There are three Nintendo 64 games, and two Nintendo Gamecube games, listed in the list of the top 10 games in the world. Only one Dreamcast game, one Xbox game, one Playstation 2 game, one Playstation game, and one P.C. game made it into the list. The best game in the world came out for the Nintendo 64; The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

Other fantastic Nintendo 64 games include: Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Kazooie 2, The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, Paper Mario, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Star Fox 64, Mario Kart 64, Donkey Kong 64, Super Smash Bros., and Diddy Kong Racing.

Other fantastic Nintendo Gamecube games include: Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

So what's the problem with Nintendo 64, and Nintendo Gamecube? The Nintendo 64 sold more consoles than any Sega console, Microsoft console, and any other console not made by Sony, or Nintendo. The Nintendo 64 sold more consoles than the Nintendo Gamecube, and Playstation 3. In fact, only four game consoles defeated the Nintendo 64 in terms of sales; Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Playstation, and Playstation 2. That's it. Is the Nintendo 64 still a failure?

The only portable gaming consoles that beat the Nintendo 64 in terms of sales were all made by Nintendo. Is the Nintendo 64 still a failure? So what if it used cartridges, it's the games that count. And besides, if the games were CD based, they would still be just as expensive to buy. And besides, who cares if Nintendo lost a bunch of third party developers, for most of the best games ever made were first party anyways. There are enough, fantastic games on the Nintendo 64, and Nintendo Gamecube, to keep you buisy anyways. It's not like you are going to buy more than 30 games anyways, unless you're a real hardcore gamer.

Now what about the Gamecube? It sold more consoles than majority of the consoles that exist. It may have lost to Xbox, and Playstation 2, in terms of sales, but not in terms of fun. Xbox only sold about 3 million more consoles than the Gamecube anyways. I can't try to minimise the gap between the Playstation 2, and the Gamecube, since the Playstation 2 sold more than twice the Dreamcast, Gamecube, and Xbox, combined, and outsold its predecessor. But console sales are far less important than the games released for the consoles.

Personally, I like more games on the Gamecube, than any other console of the same generation, and the sad thing is, I don't like very many Gamecube games. There are a select few Dreamcast, Xbox, and Playstation 2 games that I really enjoy, but games like Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, and Mario Kart: Double Dash!! cannot be duplicated by its competition. I could care less about third-party games, especially on Nintendo consoles. And that is the main concern for Nintendo consoles. But do we really need third party games? Are there not enough fantastic first party games for the Nintendo consoles to be enjoyed?

Even if you enjoy the Dreamcast, Playstation 2, or Xbox, more than the Gamecube, you have to accept that all four consoles are not too far apart from each other. There are great games on every console, but majority of them are always going to be bad. At the end, the console means nothing. The real important thing are the games themselves. If no console had games, no one would buy them.

As it stands, however, Nintendo's first party games, especially on the Nintendo 64, and Nintendo Gamecube, seem to recieve better reviews than any other games in existence. I was never dissapointed by the Nintendo 6, and Nintendo Gamecube. Although the Gamecube could have had a few, better games, the games it did have, were fantastic enough. Until I recently looked at the sales figures, per console, I had no idea that the Nintendo 64 was that far behind the Playstation, and the Gamecube was that far behind the Playstation 2. So how could Nintendo have let you down if every console had at least one game that was amongst the best in the world, as chosen by reviewers?


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It is all a matter of perspective.

I enjoyed the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast, although both were considered failures.



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N64 was actually my first console. N64 was great but the best games were banjo kazooie and banjo tooie, even paper mario.

GC was my secound console and it has some good games, mario sunshine, great pokemon games, naruto, paper mario 2 which was my favorite game on GC.

The reason why nintendo was far behind sony is becuase they didnt offer the huge varaity of games that the ps2 did or the ps1. They are doing well now becuase of the price and I can say that easily since little kids have no choice but to buy the wii and they like the innovative controller, but unfortunatley those kids that wanted a 360 or ps3 got a wii for christmas due to the price of the system. Though the wii is an awsome system. Its winning becuase of the price of the console, if it were to be up against an $299.99 ps3 we wouldnt be seeing the wii at near 10million.



 

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That's because Nintendo is the greatest developer in the world. It has really nothing to do with the systems. A Nintendo system will always have some of the best games released cuase Nintendo is just that good. It's more than just having a few good games that decides a winner.

But personally I loved both those consoles.



leo-j said:
The reason why nintendo was far behind sony is becuase they didnt offer the huge varaity of games that the ps2 did or the ps1. They are doing well now becuase of the price and I can say that easily since little kids have no choice but to buy the wii and they like the innovative controller, but unfortunatley those kids that wanted a 360 or ps3 got a wii for christmas due to the price of the system. Though the wii is an awsome system. Its winning becuase of the price of the console, if it were to be up against an $299.99 ps3 we wouldnt be seeing the wii at near 10million.

1. They did. Third-Parties didn't.

2. I have seen my fair share of kids nag for whatever they want, regardless of price.

3. Highly doubt it. See above.

4. You should tell that to Sony. They made it expensive.



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leo-j said:
N64 was actually my first console. N64 was great but the best games were banjo kazooie and banjo tooie, even paper mario.

GC was my secound console and it has some good games, mario sunshine, great pokemon games, naruto, paper mario 2 which was my favorite game on GC.

The reason why nintendo was far behind sony is becuase they didnt offer the huge varaity of games that the ps2 did or the ps1. They are doing well now becuase of the price and I can say that easily since little kids have no choice but to buy the wii and they like the innovative controller, but unfortunatley those kids that wanted a 360 or ps3 got a wii for christmas due to the price of the system. Though the wii is an awsome system. Its winning becuase of the price of the console, if it were to be up against an $299.99 ps3 we wouldnt be seeing the wii at near 10million.


If your price theory is correct, the Nintendo 64, and Nintendo Gamecube, would have far surpassed the Playstation, and Playstation 2, in sales, for they were both $100 cheaper. At the end, the price isn't integrated into the console, but only serves as a barrier.



I owned and lived both. They're commercial, not creative failures, and even only in terms of units sold/market share, as both were profitable.



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That is the biggest bunch of crap to say that people are only buying the Wii because it is the cheapest.

Sure, it is more of an impulse buy because it so much cheaper than it's competitors, but other factors obviously contribute. By that same logic, the ONLY reason why people aren't buying a PS3 is the price, not the fact the games aren't that great and the ones that are can be obtained on a 360 for a much cheaper price. Didn't the PS3 have a price cut(temporary?) I don't remember seeing reports of it selling out after.

If people are looking for a cheap console then go buy a GameCube or PS2, which are both more available, less of a hassle to find, and well established libraries with cheaper games.

I don't consider either N64 or GC a failure because they both provided some of the most classic games to their consumers and the company (Nintendo) with massive profits. Sure they both could have sold more units with a more robust library of games similar to the PS(2), but they performed sufficiently and are more than making up for previous mistakes with Wii.

The Wii is something so different and fun, that it could continue to sell at it's current pace off of pure word of mouth



wait wait wait...

Half Life 2 is the number 10 game? Outranking the original?

Ridiculous!



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