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numonex said:

Obama only won because 95 to 100% of registered African-Americans voted for him in the poor working class States of the USA. 40% of African-Americans were registered to vote.
In the rich areas, people primarily voted for McCain.
Obama received 51 million votes to McCain's 49 million votes in the US election.

Wrong. Obama currently has 63.7 million popular votes to John McCain's 56.3 million. Where is your god now?



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Ickalanda said:

Obama's tax policy inolves taxing everyone making $150,000 or more by 40% of their total income.  This is the largest tax increase in United States history.  In his speeches Obama has said he will give a tax cut to everyone else but in actuality he is leaving all taxes the same for the others, and a large number of Americans didn't pay income tax in the first place.  Obama is instead going to be offer tax credits, which are basically another name for welfare in a sense, and those that don't pay income tax are still going to be paying this money.

Okay. You fail at history. You fail at math or understanding how the tax system works. You have a poor grasp of the facts and you tend to make up things. It's not even worth rebutting and you've already shown that you can't answer simple questions related to your facts or thesis.

Dammit, once again I ignored the sage words of Montana (which went red BTW).



fkusumot said:
numonex said:

Obama only won because 95 to 100% of registered African-Americans voted for him in the poor working class States of the USA. 40% of African-Americans were registered to vote.
In the rich areas, people primarily voted for McCain.
Obama received 51 million votes to McCain's 49 million votes in the US election.

Wrong. Obama currently has 63.7 million popular votes to John McCain's 56.3 million. Where is your god now?

 

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

 

Obama: 53%: 64,030,409

McCain: 46%: 56,494,802

Holy Moly, that is quite a majority for a presidential election in the US.  Reagan won 58% in 1984, Johnson won 61% in 1964 but only Reagan in 1980 (50.7%) and Bush in 2004 won by >50% other than those two.

 

 



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Even Lou Dobbs says, "I think he's being sincere when he says he's going to be the president of ALL Americans." when responding to accusations of a liberal agenda. Lou Dobbs never believes politicians... wow.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.



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steven787 said:
fkusumot said:
numonex said:

Obama only won because 95 to 100% of registered African-Americans voted for him in the poor working class States of the USA. 40% of African-Americans were registered to vote.
In the rich areas, people primarily voted for McCain.
Obama received 51 million votes to McCain's 49 million votes in the US election.

Wrong. Obama currently has 63.7 million popular votes to John McCain's 56.3 million. Where is your god now?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

Obama: 53%: 64,030,409

McCain: 46%: 56,494,802

Holy Moly, that is quite a majority for a presidential election in the US.  Reagan won 58% in 1984, Johnson won 61% in 1964 but only Reagan in 1980 (50.7%) and Bush in 2004 won by >50% other than those two.

 

More impressive to me is the voter turnout:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_11/015545.php

A little suspect, since they talk about 130 million ballots being cast while only 120 million are accounted for in your numbers here, but they're estimating 64% of voting age citizens cast a ballot. That's about 80% of registered voters. Always exciting to see more people take an interest in these important matters. It's so easy to get disillusioned and apathetic.

Early voting was really helpful for getting people out. The best way I can think of to get more people voting would be to scrap the electoral college. If I were an American, I would feel my vote is pretty meaningless if I didn't live in one of those key swing states.



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famousringo said:
steven787 said:
fkusumot said:
numonex said:

Obama only won because 95 to 100% of registered African-Americans voted for him in the poor working class States of the USA. 40% of African-Americans were registered to vote.
In the rich areas, people primarily voted for McCain.
Obama received 51 million votes to McCain's 49 million votes in the US election.

Wrong. Obama currently has 63.7 million popular votes to John McCain's 56.3 million. Where is your god now?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

Obama: 53%: 64,030,409

McCain: 46%: 56,494,802

Holy Moly, that is quite a majority for a presidential election in the US.  Reagan won 58% in 1984, Johnson won 61% in 1964 but only Reagan in 1980 (50.7%) and Bush in 2004 won by >50% other than those two.

 

More impressive to me is the voter turnout:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_11/015545.php

A little suspect, since they talk about 130 million ballots being cast while only 120 million are accounted for in your numbers here, but they're estimating 64% of voting age citizens cast a ballot. That's about 80% of registered voters. Always exciting to see more people take an interest in these important matters. It's so easy to get disillusioned and apathetic.

Early voting was really helpful for getting people out. The best way I can think of to get more people voting would be to scrap the electoral college. If I were an American, I would feel my vote is pretty meaningless if I didn't live in one of those key swing states.

 

Remember absentee ballots have yet to arrive or be counted in many states, including some where early voting counted as absentee.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

ringo - you're absolutely right. Living in NJ, no matter who I want in office, its useless, because the state ALWAYS goes to the democrat. In the end, it's actually just a waste of my time. Yet, I go out anyway just to exercise that right to do such, as it seems to be one of the few unchallenged freedoms we have left. =)



Let me just point out a few things:

Aside from the fact that that's NNOT what he wants to do, IF Obama wanted to tax everone making 150000 40% of their TOTAL income he would have to:

a.) Get rid of the progressive tax rate

and

b.) Eliminate all deductions for people making that much money

niether of which he wants to do.

Second the Largest tax increase in history was under Hoover who increased the Tax rate 35% for the upper tax brackets. You think people making 150000 pay 4% tax?

Please become informed before speaking and claiming things as facts.

Looking for the actual change in tax brackets uunder both plans now, can't find it anymore :(



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Ickalanda said:
fkusumot said:
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Same as how the Democratic party was finished after Jimmy Carter?  Back when Ronald Reagan won nearly every single state and George H.W. Bush had a similar landslide victory and would have had over Bill Clinton if it wasn't for Ross Perot?

No party as big as these is ever finished, more than 56,000,000 people voted for John McCain, you can't make that disapear.  And once people realize that Obama being president won't affect their lives as much as they thought I highly doubt Obama will be reelected.  And his redistribution of wealth policies will hurt people really bad and goes against everything this country stands for.

The Democratic party was finished after McGovern. Carter was an aberration. It's no coincidence that the only Democrats elected as POTUS since McGovern were Governors from the South.

But seriously, do you have any example of what you're talking about there in that last sentence you wrote? What specifically are these policies and how do they go against what this country stands for? Or is this just some talking point you picked up from talk radio?

 

First of all I don't listen to the radio period, I also rarely watch TV, I just get news articles from the CNN homepage and form the local newspaper.

 

Obama's tax policy inolves taxing everyone making $150,000 or more by 40% of their total income.  This is the largest tax increase in United States history.  In his speeches Obama has said he will give a tax cut to everyone else but in actuality he is leaving all taxes the same for the others, and a large number of Americans didn't pay income tax in the first place.  Obama is instead going to be offer tax credits, which are basically another name for welfare in a sense, and those that don't pay income tax are still going to be paying this money.

 

So Obama's tax policy taxes the hell out of the "rich" even though the bottom end of what he classifies as rich are actually just normal middle class people, and then he redistributes the wealth to the lower levels.  In marxist theory, socialism is the first step from a capitolist nation to a communist nation.

 

The United States was founded on the idea that with hard work everyone can work from nothing to something and they should have strong incentive to do this.  America also up until FDR had had very little government intervention in the economy.  With Obama's plan, if a family has two working parents, and with just one parent working they are just under the threshold Obama considers rich, but with both parents working they are over it, it will actually be more worth it for only one of them to be working and one of them might as well quit their job, their families net income might actually be higher while just under it.  Obama's plan is also going to kill business owners because they are being heavily taxed and with the already failed Democratic Congress is currently raising the minimum wage which will hurt their ability to employ customers.

The only way in Obama's policy to have job growth is by the government starting to issue jobs out to people, which sounds a lot like Soviet Europe/USSR to me.

 

Also, we've already seen two years of a failed democratic congress, their polling from the past few days is 75% disapproval and only 18% approval.  And that's actually pretty high for congress these days!  What makes you think two more years of a democratic controlled congress plus a democratic president will be any better?  http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

 

Everything I post on this website is based on my own opinion I have made myself, I don't watch TV or listen to the radio.  I simply look up the facts online and in the newspaper and decide what I think from that.  I am a very hard working person and the idea that I should be punished for working hard and my money be given to those who don't work as hard is simply just insulting in my mind.

 

Now I don't mind other people having different ideas from me, but I also find it insulting at this website that people can say crap about McCain or Republicans they rarely get called out on what they said but if I say something in support of McCain or against Obama I get called out in seconds and am immediately required to pull out some sort of 20 page list of references.  I want every member at this website to know that I only post well thought out political statements, all of it is 100% my opinion, and I don't make up facts.

 

Thank you and good night.

 

~Ickalanda

If you are going to dislike someone's policies at least get your facts straight. The current tax rate on individuals making $250,000 dollars or more is 36%. Under Obama's plan, it will be 39%. Which is the same percentage it was under Bill Clinton. It is 3% more than the current rate, or in monetary terms $7500.  Instead of making $160,000 dollars a year  after taxes they will make $152,500. They will pay an additional $625 a month in other words.