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That Guy on 02 November 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
Yes, I would vote for Bush Sr. in a second! His son however... if it was Bush Jr. vs Obama?

Sadly, Yes. As much as I don't like Hillary, if she had won the primary, I might vote for her over McCain, just because of Palin.

Obama, never. If I wanted to live in Europe, I would move to Europe.

 

I'd love to see Bush Sr.'s campaign slogan.

 

READ MY LIPS. NO NEW TAXES. REALLY THIS TIME.

 

lol that campaign promise really came back and bit him. Taht's comparable to John Kerry's "I voted for the 82 billlion before I voted against it" quote.



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amp316 on 02 November 2008

In a word. No

If the 22nd Ammendment didn't exist Maybe Bill Clinton would be running for his 5th term. One can dream.



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NJ5 on 02 November 2008
TheRealMafoo said:

 

It's a little to social for my tastes.

The more social you become, the less free the people are. The standard of living in Europe is good, but try and buy a house (in some countries, you can only buy through auction), A car (some countries have a waiting list), or open a bank account (some require letters of recondition first).

I like to compare it to growing up at home, and then moving out.

Socialism is your country taking care of you, like your parents did. When you were a kid, you didn't need to think about healthcare, or feeding yourself. You parents did that. But that came with rules. Your personal freedoms were not your own.

When you move out, you now have no one taking care of you but yourself, yet you have the freedom to live your life how you see fit.

I like that concept a lot better then living in a country where I am taken care of at the expense of my freedoms. Many don't though, so for them, enjoy Europe. For the rest of us, let's try and keep this country a little more free :).

 


As a European working in Sweden I have 5 weeks of vacation every year, and I work 8-hour days. How's that for personal freedom?

By the way, what country has waiting lists for buying cars? Never heard of that... And FYI, people still have to work here to feed themselves and others.

There are some ways in which the US is better than Europe, but your arguments are mostly BS.

 



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akuma587 on 02 November 2008

Europe is so badass...if I had learned French earlier in my life I would be living there right now. The citizenship requirements are a bitch though and in my chosen profession, a lawyer, it is difficult as hell to get certified in France. I know because I actually looked into it.

Our average vacation time here in the states is about 10 days a year. In France, the MINIMUM vacation time is 5 weeks. How awesome is that? Plus they have less to worry about once they retire and they have free healthcare THAT IS BETTER THAN US HEALTHCARE!



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pastro243 on 02 November 2008

Because I am a am a human being with normal inteligence, I would never vote for something as stupid as Bush, guys like that should be working in a farm. Anyways, even if Bush was an inteligent person, Im not from the US so I wouldnt vote anyways :P



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pastro243 on 02 November 2008

And why so much whining on taxes? They are really necesary for the countries development, and if your goverment is capable(oops) you will get good things from your taxes.



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bouzane on 02 November 2008

Considering that Bin Laden is still free I can say that Bush has failed in his top priority. If terrorism is the primary concern when selecting a presidential candidate I'd have to say that Bush is possibly the worst choice.



SamuelRSmith on 02 November 2008
akuma587 said:
Europe is so badass...if I had learned French earlier in my life I would be living there right now. The citizenship requirements are a bitch though and in my chosen profession, a lawyer, it is difficult as hell to get certified in France. I know because I actually looked into it.

Our average vacation time here in the states is about 10 days a year. In France, the MINIMUM vacation time is 5 weeks. How awesome is that? Plus they have less to worry about once they retire and they have free healthcare THAT IS BETTER THAN US HEALTHCARE!

 

 Well, in the UK, it's a month (plus 8 public holidays). You also gets six months paid maternity and 1 week paid paternity (though, last I heard, this is looking to be increased). You ain't gotta learn French, as a plus. But we don't really need any more lawyers, lol.

What we do need, though, are game programmers, the industry is streched, here.

On the downside the UK is the only country that doesn't have the 48 hour maximum law. This law basically states that noone is allowed to work for more than 48 hours. In the UK, you can work over that, but you're employer can not force you to.



akuma587 on 02 November 2008

A law of the biggest law firms in the U.S. expect you to work 60-80 hour weeks.



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SamuelRSmith on 02 November 2008
akuma587 said:
A law of the biggest law firms in the U.S. expect you to work 60-80 hour weeks.

 

 12-16 hour long days? That's nuts! Seriously, the amount of people that moan about 8 hour days here. Considering that in the UK you're also entitled to 20 minutes break for every six hours work, 11 hours break between each working day, and atleast one day off a week. Again, these are minimum, and are usually considered bad breaks, especially the one day a week one.

What for minimum wage, national insurance, and long term illness in the US?