So...? I admit I don't know much about the "expanded audience" of the ps2. Somehow, it seems to me the "expanded audience created by the Wii is something else. So I ask again: so what? Can you elaborate, please.

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Well, sure. That's what I was thinking, but I may be wrong so... That's why I made this thread.

Bong Lover

famousringo

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CAL4M1TY

Thanks for your posts, they answered the question for me. I still may have to give it a try myself, but Now I think I know better what to expect.

Ok, cool. Well, at least I made you laugh.

You know, I started to visit this web page, for the sales figures. Then I started to read the news. Later on I discovered the forums. It's been useful because I have learned a lot. It is also fun sometimes. I have read some joke threads which were hilarious. Some of them were to some extent difficult to spot, an then people engage in some serious discussion and some of them didn't. I just didn't want this thread to become a giant troll/fanboy battlefield. Because no matter how many people is honestly trying to follow the thread for the right reasons, if it is carried away by the trolling, the mods lock the thread.

And don't get me wrong, I sometimes enjoy reading the fanboys discussions, even if the become irrational or silly. I laugh at people who sometimes don't know where to stop and take all this gaming thing way to serious. (I may be one of them sometimes). But it's just a game. Guitar hero, Wii music, whatever. They are just games.

On the other hand, I am ready to people who dissagree with me. I won't report them because of that. After all, I didn't state much. I was asking a question. Now that I have some good answers and I look at the question I think that maybe it wasn't such a good one, in the sense that it didn't create a full-scale epic debate. But in the search of my way out of my ignorance, it did its job.

If your point was that you're not interested in Wii Music because you're a serious musician who works with serious music sequencers, then that's fine, but it really has no bearing on how hard Wii Music is as a game. My surgeon friend doesn't want to play Trauma Center, but that doesn't turn the game into a cakewalk for noob gamers. It's so hard that a lot of reviewers docked it points because they had a hard time playing it.

Hmmm, I wonder...

so the difficulty lies in layering multiple instruments on top of each other?
I don't see what makes that so hard as opposed to unnecessarily intricate.
People do this stuff for a living btw.

to follow up it seems like:
play this so it sounds good.
ok now play this so it sounds good with the first 1 and the music...
ok now play this so it sounds good with the first 2 and the music...
ok now play this so it sounds good with the first 3 and the music...
ok now play this so it sounds good with the first 4 and the music...
ok now play this so it sounds good with the first 5 and the music...
fun

so your argument that it is a good game is because it takes away from traditional core group and moves the gaming community into another core group (people with musical training), that seems counter intuitive to the wii is for every one argument. it would be like making a game called wii print, and it be about layout and page design with a mixture of indesign/illustrator/motion, and livetype and reviewers pan it, but you say its good despite panning it, and the core group does not like it because its too hard.

(personally id like a livetype game)

games are supposed to be fun, and if it fails that first step regardless of if its too hard or broke, or to easy and if it fails that it can be claimed not to be a good game, and from what it sounds like form reviews, it is not a fun game unless you are part of a subgroup of gamers

edit, compare this to mario paint, do you remember how fun that was on the snes and what you could do musically on there without real instruments. 

I'm not sure what I can say that would make you see the connection between intricacy and challenge. I mean, I would think that would be kinda self-evident that a complex creation is harder to make than a simple one. An open question is harder to answer than a yes or no question, isn't it?

As for that last sentence, thanks captain obvious. I'm not sure what your point is. As I just posted, people also get paid for doing surgery. Some even make a living out of martial arts, shooting guns, and flying aircraft. Do you suppose any other in-game activities might be rooted in the real world?

Edit @ Goddog

I actually agree. The easily accessible parts of Wii Music are only a tiny slice of the content, and if that slice doesn't engage you, you aren't going to enjoy the really rewarding part of the game. Rock Band is far more accessible than Wii Music is (other than the price and space considerations of those peripherals), and that's going to hold Wii Music back.

You don't actually have to be musically inclined to enjoy the game, but you have to be open to learning more about music. Most people aren't going to enjoy a game which is half music lesson.

my point is, what is the reward ringo? WHY would someone do that, when they could do it in real life with their OWN songs? Making a song is just so accessible.

I'm sorry ringo but those examples are not good at all, martial arts shooting guns aircraft flying...... these all require more energy than people want to put into it. If i wanna do surgery i can just buy a game, i don't have to invest all that time and effort. -
surgery requires some 8 years of schooling
martial arts for actual fighting requires almost a lifetime
shooting? really? people make money by shooting people? I'd like to see that.
Shooting anything really for money....i'd like to see that.
Flying aircraft? Do they also shoot other aircraft, or do barrel rolls? No. If you do you, then you are in the air force and you are of the top 1% of pilots and the requirements to be a pilot are insane. Less than even .1% of the population could even be qualified to do what they do.

Now, making a song with pro-tools.... i could download it and make a remix to gremlins right now if I wanted to.

i'd like to see what tommy tallaricos opinion on wii music is.